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§ ita § - May 04, 2004 5:01:47 pm PDT #309 of 668
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

but the main mystical person always in focus (or at least the mystically affected person) is a white woman

She doesn't get mystical until episode 11. Supernatural, yes, but not mystical.

Which white people's religion? The one in which talking tchotchkes guide people, or Judaism, and the Christian denominations (which were referenced in Pink Flamingos, and Wound-Up Penguin)?

I may be behind on my White People Studies, but what religion has the talking tchotchkes?

Christianity was referenced, but not proved, if you see my distinction. Joan of Arcadia -- that's got proof. Touched By An Angel -- that too (although I typed Toughed By An Angel the first time -- much more fun, much more leather).

Up until Totem Mole, inanimate objects were animating for Jaye. Was she insane? Psychic? Touched by demons? Gods? That's a lot of spectrum of possibility, and I don't consider psychic mystical in the least.

In Totem Mole an outside established (although made up) religion affirms her experience. My reflexive statistical analysis is that that affirmation is more likely to come with experiential proof from a Mystical Native or a Magical Negro (probably practicing a little voudoun) than from a priest.


Kristen - May 04, 2004 5:03:56 pm PDT #310 of 668

what religion has the talking tchotchkes?

We have the bleeding/crying statues.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 04, 2004 5:04:55 pm PDT #311 of 668
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Don't forget the freaky-ass big-eyed kid on those velvet paintings that makes houses burn down.


§ ita § - May 04, 2004 5:05:19 pm PDT #312 of 668
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

We have the bleeding/crying statues.

I'm now visualising a crucified puppy statue talking to Jaye.

Ta, ever so.


P.M. Marc - May 04, 2004 6:25:17 pm PDT #313 of 668
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

What %age of mystical white people do you see?

In Wonderfalls in particular, or in entertainment in general?

In entertainment in general, I do see a lot of mystical white people, and they're almost always Celtic. Which, as a decidedly non-mystical white-ass chick of Scottish descent, I will freely own pissed my shit off but good for a while.

And may explain why I had a more negative reaction to Doyle than most people.


§ ita § - May 04, 2004 6:32:10 pm PDT #314 of 668
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Very good point, Plei. White folk can be pagans too.

But that's where the "reality" seems to lurk. Those mystical forces can interact directly in character's lives. Judeochristianity is so much more a matter of faith.

However, per capita, I think Indians have the league locked down. Black folk don't tend to have an explicit connection -- it's more of a primal connection.


Kristen - May 04, 2004 7:38:34 pm PDT #315 of 668

I do see a lot of mystical white people, and they're almost always Celtic.

Do you think it's because we're always drunk?


P.M. Marc - May 04, 2004 7:39:51 pm PDT #316 of 668
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Do you think it's because we're always drunk?

Possibly. Quite possibly.


Allyson - May 04, 2004 7:41:24 pm PDT #317 of 668
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I'm an Irish Italian Jew. I'm drunk while shooting out kneecaps and running all the banks.

I Am What's Wrong with America.

Sorry!


Kristen - May 04, 2004 7:43:04 pm PDT #318 of 668

If I were an academic type person, it could make for a nice little research paper:

Substance Abuse & Mysticism: When I Say I See the Future, It Really Just Means I'm Making You Buy the Next Round.