I just think it's rather odd that a nation that prides itself on its virility should feel compelled to strap on forty pounds of protective gear just in order to play rugby.

Giles ,'Beneath You'


Bureaucracy 3: Oh, so now you want to be part of the SOLUTION?  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


SailAweigh - Jun 03, 2007 7:43:35 am PDT #9585 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I, for one, found the new threads much better for the way I watch / discuss TV shows. I rarely went into Natter to discuss shows for a couple of reasons. One was picking out the posts about the show that I was interested in. I'm not a regular Natterite and just finding what I want when I'm hundreds of posts behind is awkward, even with the search function. Another was that, for whatever particular reason, the majority of discussion tends to occur after the west coast has watched the show, which is usually later than I want to stay up. By the time I get around to trying to find the discussion the next day, see point one above. With the bucket threads, even if I wait until the next morning to read I can find them right away. No searching and skipping and sometimes missing interesting posts. Plus, the fact that it's all in one place tends to prolong the discussion. I've seen more posts for House and Grey's Anatomy in the bucket threads than I ever found in Natter. It may have been there, but I gave up in frustration.

So, that's just how it works for me. I'm up for seconding any proposal for bucket threads.


Topic!Cindy - Jun 03, 2007 8:01:03 am PDT #9586 of 10001
What is even happening?

SA said:

The proposal I made was for the creation of a non-fiction thread. I'm going to wait until the voting has gone through on that to propose the premium/cable setup.

SA did get four seconds, once connie chimed in, so Lightbulbs should be opened for her proposal.


Scrappy - Jun 03, 2007 8:46:01 am PDT #9587 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I really enjoyed the non-fiction thread. I don't like being spoiled and we usually watch a couple of days later, so I could never participate in whatever discussion there was in Natter. I could wait to read the non-fiction thread until I'd seen the episode and usually discussion was still going on. I am a big Survivor fan and this is the first time I got to really discuss it with my fellow Buffistas.


tiggy - Jun 03, 2007 9:06:30 am PDT #9588 of 10001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

fwiw, my $.02. it is nigh impossible for me to keep up in Natter. if i do happen to go in there, read what's been said and comment on it i usually end up not having the time to go back and see if anyone has responded to me.

the Experimental threads allowed me to discuss all tv shows with you guys when before it was only the select few shows that already have bucket threads. i like discussing tv with all of you. it was a little frustrating not being able to go in the network drama thread until i'd seen all the dramas i thought might be discussed, but after i had seen them it was extremely easy to read and reply and keep the conversation going days after the episodes had aired. i think perhaps those of you who are arguing that you couldn't discuss the shows because you don't see them right away didn't even try to go in days later and discuss because i seriously had no problem doing so.

if this is convoluted, i apologize. i haven't eaten or had caffeine as of yet today.


Sean K - Jun 03, 2007 9:16:14 am PDT #9589 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I had a real problem with whitefonted TV talk in Natter. It seemed like it would go on forever sometimes, espcially after an episode of Grey's Anatomy or something.

And also? Since I read the board from my phone frequently, and white font doesn't work on my phone browser? Scrolling past whitefonted TV talk quickly become scrolling past everything. Or really just not reading Natter at all.

So keeping TV talk in Natter can have just as profound an effect on some members of the board as not having it in Natter has on others.


Jesse - Jun 03, 2007 9:28:13 am PDT #9590 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

i think perhaps those of you who are arguing that you couldn't discuss the shows because you don't see them right away didn't even try to go in days later and discuss because i seriously had no problem doing so.

I think the issue is people who have seen this week's Show A, but are two weeks behind on Show B, and have no way of knowing what kind of discussion of Show B has gone on.

I'd love to see a poll to get a sense of the actual numbers -- people who are excluded by TV talk in Natter vs. people who were excluded by the experimental threads. In this discussion, I think there have been a handful of people expression both views, but that's still just two handfuls.


Lee - Jun 03, 2007 9:30:19 am PDT #9591 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I think the issue is people who have seen this week's Show A, but are two weeks behind on Show B, and have no way of knowing what kind of discussion of Show B has gone on.

Exactly, plus maybe show C and D as well.


Liese S. - Jun 03, 2007 9:38:20 am PDT #9592 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

If there had been "click to end" links in Natter like for SPN watch-n-posts, would that have helped people? Especially for live posting when there were few other topics being discussed in the midst?


askye - Jun 03, 2007 9:44:07 am PDT #9593 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

I don't think it would help. I mean it seems like an awful complicated thing to do, it's one thing to do it for SPN watch and post and other to do it in natter for all the potential tv shows that might be discussed -- CSI, Bones, Ugly Betty, The Office, Grey's Anatomy, ER, Criminal Minds, House, etc and so on.


esse - Jun 03, 2007 9:49:41 am PDT #9594 of 10001
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Not to mention that, Natter being Natter, other discussions would be happening in between whatever television shows were being discussed; so a "skip to end" would mean you are effectively missing other discussion as well.