I don't mind whitefont in Natter but I dislike being 200 posts behind in one day because something exciting happened in a TV show that I don't follow.

That's so funny, because I'm the exact opposite -- what could be easier than "catching up" on a conversation I'm not following and can't see? Nice and quick!

what could be easier than "catching up" on a conversation I'm not following and can't see?

True, but then I skim and I miss posts that aren't about the TV show.

Because of this, the feel of natter has shifted for me.

I'm going to broaden this a little-- it's changed the feel of the board for me, in that I'm far less likely to talk about TV anywhere here than I was before. (Supernatural is the one exception to that, obviously, but even some of that has shifted to email and AIM.) The bucket threads just don't work for the way I watch TV, and I usually don't feel comfortable bringing TV stuff up in other threads.

I can and do discuss TV other places, of course, but the lack of TV discussion that I can actively participate in makes the board seem less accessible to me.

I don't understand why you're less likely to talk about tv anywhere here now, Lee. Do the bucket threads work less well than Natter for you because of the white font issue?

Do the bucket threads work less well than Natter for you because of the white font issue?

In a way-- I almost never watch show when the network airs them, so I can't discuss them when aired. Even when I have seen show A close to when aired, I can't go into the bucket threads to discuss it because I haven't seen show B or Show C which are also being discussed.

As gentle as the thread nannying in Natter and elsewhere is, it is still there. Even without it, the fact that people are discussing shows in the TV threads limits the amount of discussion that can be generated outside of them.

In a way-- I almost never watch show when the network airs them, so I can't discuss them when aired.

But how does that change when there's more television discussion in Natter? If you're not watching them when they've aired, you miss them in natter as well. Television discussion in natter is both wfronted and disappears quickly, relatively speaking--it's unlikely that something discussed on one day will still be discussed three days hence.

But how does that change when there's more television discussion in Natter

Two reasons: first, in Natter I didn't have to be worried about being spoiied for other shows since all discussion was whitefonted. That holds true whether or not I see shows when aired or not. Also, this

it's unlikely that something discussed on one day will still be discussed three days hence.

didn't hold true for me. I've been able to post a couple of days after GA aired, for example, and generate discussion. In the TV threads, I didn't feel comfortable coming in two or three days, because there were other shows that had just aired being discussed. (eta: I should say though, that I gave up on the experimental threads after about a week, since it was clear they didn't work for me, so I may not have a good basis for that feeling.) It might not be as in-depth a discussion as what happened when aired, but there was discussion.

In a way-- I almost never watch show when the network airs them, so I can't discuss them when aired.

See, I share SA's confusion, because to me this is a great argument for having a dedicated thread in which to discuss certain shows. If I don't get around to watching show A until three or four days after it airs, it'll be nigh impossible for me to find or drum up discussion of it in Natter. (I should say, this is my recollection of how Natter works, since it's probably been a couple of years at this point since I've been in there.) But with a dedicated (or bucket) thread, I can easily find other people's posts and chime in with my own thoughts.

edit: doh, x-post!

See, I share SA's confusion, because to me this is a great argument for having a dedicated thread in which to discuss certain shows.

But that presupposes that I either don't watch any of the other shows being discussed in the bucket thread or don't care about being spoiled for them. Outside of possibly the reality thread, that simply isn't true.

I'm also not sure it matters. I don't feel that the bucket threads worked for me, which is fine. I don't have to read them.

I also don't like the impact that I felt they had on Natter and the board as a whole. That part for me is not so fine.

eta: edit: doh, x-post! for me too

But that presupposes that I either don't watch any of the other shows being discussed in the bucket thread or don't care about being spoiled for them.

Shouldn't whitefront rules alter the situation, though? Enough that you can keep from being spoiled for whatever show?

I also don't like the impact that I felt they had on Natter and the board as a whole. That part for me is not so fine.

I don't mean to be negative, but it seems like that ship has kind of sailed. Once we made a choice to create some kind of discussion focus, even without the intention of changing the scope of natter, it was changed anyway. People who wanted to discuss television in bucket threads went there for their discussion, and it was lost, apparently, in Natter as a result. I don't really see how that can be reverted. At this point I think we're committed to at least proposing, and quite probably ratifying, some kind of television-thread setup. We can't make television discussion go back in Natter, even if the intention wasn't to remove it from there. I know it wasn't my intention--back when this whole thing started I noted repeatedly that I wasn't concerned about limiting the discussion of television to just one thread venue, I just wanted the opportunity to discuss it in a venue that wasn't Natter. But if there's been a behavior change because of the experimentals, as I think there has been, I don't really see an option to try and put television back in Natter anyway.