( continues...) a permanent solution now?

And finally, I don't particularly want to spend the entire summer talking about this, because my summer has a handful of shows that will be airing that I will want to talk about. Just because we've gotten through sweeps, and the networks have gone to hibernate, doesn't mean there isn't television to watch or to talk about. Hell, even re-runs generate discussion. So I think that, in the interest of fostering that discussion, and taking in to account the general (if unintended) success of the threads, that creating threads along the lines of what was set up in Experimentals is not a bad idea at all. Particularly since I think we've already made the substantive change, even if we didn't mean for it to be so.

I really liked the experimental threads and would love for all of them to return in one way, shape, or form. I couldn't care less if cable drama is in premium or not. It seems to me that one reason to make this distinction is if premium or cable drama are each getting so much traffic that there might be a need to break the threads up.

So I come down on the traffic side, not necessarily the thematic side - but that is an important point as well.

I'm just so pleased I had the opportunity to engage in discussion with all of you in a variety of threads.

I would probably be the fourth 2nd, but I am holding it until more discussion takes place since that is an upthread request.

It seems to me that one reason to make this distinction is if premium or cable drama are each getting so much traffic that there might be a need to break the threads up.

Yeah, I guess to me it's more a question of justifying separate threads than anything. "I may one day buy it on DVD" is not the most compelling argument, I have to say (and I intend to one day buy lots of them on DVD).

But to get to specifics - there was whitefont in the experimental cable drama thread. Is there in Premium? I'm guessing not. What sort of whitefont arrangements would people want if we were to merge those two threads? Thoughts?

"I may one day buy it on DVD" is not the most compelling argument, I have to say

not to mention you could argue it in the face of any show we talk about. I don't see why premium shows should get special treatment.

There is no whitefront policy for Premium. To tell the truth, it hasn't been much of an issue--discussion doesn't always take place the day of, or during a show. It tends to creep in during the week, more of a meander than a focused flurry. So, in my opinion, whitefront hasn't been necessary.

That can probably be shifted if Cable is folded in, but I kind of want to know what the Cable folks think about the whitefront they used before changing the Premium settings.

"I may one day buy it on DVD" is not the most compelling argument, I have to say

not to mention you could argue it in the face of any show we talk about. I don't see why premium shows should get special treatment.

Some of us don't get the premium stations, and, therefore, don't get the choice of watching it the first time around.

I'd definitely be in favor of expanding Premium to include all cable -- in terms of the experiment, Cable Drama did not, IMO, generate enough traffic on its own to justify a new thread.

There's a few things I'm thinking and/or wondering about as I read this discussion. I'm just going to make note of them in no particular order.

• As several people have noted, we don't have to provide for every show we want to discuss in one big proposal.

• Are there any shows that seem to generate enough discussion for a single-show thread, and which would probably work best in a single-show thread?

• Were there any shows that seemed like a natural pairing (or triple, quad, etc)?

• Where did the divisions fail? For example, SA mentioned she thought TDS and TCR would have worked better in Comedy than in Non-Fiction. Did anyone want to mention parts that didn't work for them?

My druther: If we create any new threads and any of them end up being NAFDA bucket threads, I would like to see us clearly note which shows are being discussed, so people don't spoil themselves by accident, but I'd also like to provide room for test driving new shows. In other words, if some new show pleasantly surprised us, we could discuss it in white font (with clear labels) in that bucket thread where it seemed to fit, before coming over to here/Lightbulbs and changing the world. That way we could see if there are clear, bright lines, before we start having the argument about whether or not the lines are clear and bright.

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My second druther: I hope we don't thread nanny people's TV discussions out of Natter. I hate that people were left feeling like they couldn't discuss TV in Natter during the experiment.

I hope we don't thread nanny people's TV discussions out of Natter. I hate that people were left feeling like they couldn't discuss TV in Natter during the experiment.

And this is me. I mean, this is how I feel. Because of this, the feel of natter has shifted for me. But I've mentioned it before and, while others feel similarly that it has changed natter, it doesn't seem to phase most of the community and many seem to not to take it into consideration at all.

That being said, my objections don't particulalry matter given the juggernaut of support. But I am posting them because inexplicably it seems important to me to note that not everyone thought the experiment went so well.

For example, SA mentioned she thought TDS and TCR would have worked better in Comedy than in Non-Fiction.

Would have? I know this came up, and I thought it was pretty clear that that was the consensus anyway. But I am finding my perceptions on a number of things in this discussion aren't universal. Who knew?

In other words, if some new show pleasantly surprised us, we could discuss it in white font (with clear labels) in that bucket thread where it seemed to fit, before coming over to here/Lightbulbs and changing the world.

Not in Natter? I don't think different whitefont rules within a thread for different shows is really workable. Hmmm. If we ended up with, say, Network Drama as is (meaning no more specific than that), I'd expect there to be discussion in the thread of whatever new show was coming up with whatever the wf standard for that thread is. I'd also expect to see it in whitefont in Natter. I personally don't have a problem with that, but I speak only for me.

If we do end up discussing things in more than one place, then I would want an absolute max of 24 hours whitefont in the dedicated thread, if we decide we want it at all.

Actually, to continue on with the whitefont question. Part of the reason I like the 24 hours rule is that if you are time-shifted, and like a lot of us Tivoers, aren't even terribly clear on how much, the 24 hours can give you a heads-up before you get spoiled.

Any longer than that seems to me like it would a) hamper discussion some and b) not actually be helpful to longer-range timeshifters anyway. The discussion part I think would be minor, so I don't think it's a major issue on its own. But if it's not going to even solve anyone's thread issues, that's a bigger issue to me.

I'd like to try to get down to some of the nitty-gritty and pull out whatever data we did manage to build, along side the broader questions. Initial thoughts:

Non-fic seemed to work very well. Discussion was enhanced, and no white-font seemed to work out. That's what I'm mostly hearing anyway - dissenters? Please speak up.

Network Drama shows that seemed to come up (and provoke sustained discussion most: Bones, House, GA, CSI to a lesser extent. GA seemed to manage dual-thread discussion pretty well, from my perspective. What else? Talk about things I don't watch didn't stick with me so much, so I know I'm missing some. Are there examples of specific ND shows that didn't work so well?