<bop Teppy> Hee.

Oh, okay, thanks Cindy.

I don't have much to add to this except to throw my voice in with the folks who can't follow the bucket threads. I feel like I don't have a horse in this race because I don't post in the threads being discussed but I don't post in them because they don't work for me. I probably would post in things like a BSG thread or a Stargate thread.

So if I were to propose something, which route do you think would be the most useful experiment for sorting this stuff out?

1) I propose that we add F/X shows to the Premium thread but on some kind of probational basis. I think that doesn't give us a clean clear answer.

2) I propose that we add an FX bucket thread on a probational basis.

3) I propose that we add a basic cable gritty serial drama bucket thread on a probational basis.

4) I propose a full overhaul of how we add TV threads. The elements would include lowering the bar for addition (not going through a full Lightbulb vote? Bullshit consense? Straw vote of 10 to 15?) but tie that into clear standards for traffic rates in the new thread. Going forward I think I'd want to tie this to a maximum number of threads added - either within a year or in total. I'd peg the traffic rate to something like...equal or better than the traffic in the lowest established thread, or possibly the mean traffic rate on the single show threads? Something that would provide a useful number.

I think 2 or 3 would be the best experimental solutions, but I'd be trying them with an eye towards 4.

But, I'd rather hear from people first. 2 or 3 could also be sort of a dry run for bon's drama thread.

Thread proliferation splinters the community - it's the main reason I tend to support "bucket" type threads like Boxed Set and Minearverse and oppose single-show threads (even for shows I watch).

I don't understand how having separate threads for television shows splinters the community any more than having bucket threads that many of us have to avoid since we can't keep up with every show in them. I already feel splintered. At least with separate threads I could feel part of some of the television-viewers. Right now I almost never talk TV on Buffistas for this reason. I feel very much a part of the community at large because of my posting in Bitches and Natter, but nsm with TV.

I get that I'm not in the majority, here, and I'm not trying to start trouble. Just trying to articulate a different point of view.

I'll note that I'd be pitching a bucket thread, but going forward if we went to a Easy Start / Quick Prune approach to threads, people could pitch single show threads if they wanted. It's just that they'd have to generate enough traffic on their own to survive, whereas the bucket threads would (probably) be able to hit their thesholds easily.

My votes would go in favor of single show, or small number of show threads and most likely against bigger bucket threads. I'd love to talk TV on this board again and the way it's arranged now that just doesn't happen for me.

In general, I tend to think that bucket threads are more interesting than single show ones. Maybe that's because I don't worry about getting "spoiled" for a show that has aired but I haven't seen. And I'm fine with skipping over conversation about shows I don't watch.

I'm not particularly in favor of combining Premium with the FX shows mainly because I don't watch the Premium shows, and in fact kind of disliked a couple of them. But that's just my personal ish, it's not really a valid reason to not expand the thread if that's what folks want. I'd probably peek in, if only for the FX shows.

Go away for a weekend, and look what happens. Just so it's clear, I'm not exactly standing where the general TV thread is, I just thought it was looking like the only reasonable way to go. However, after hearing some of the arguments against simply a "drama" thread, versus somewhat more clear delineation, I would say a white-fonted general TV would only be better than natter because there's less natter, and that in-depth discussion would probably be lost in the white font. It would be a visually interesting thread to skim through, though.

As a spoiler-ho (or at least spoiler indifferent), just about any combination of shows works for me. I'd just like to see some more in-depth discussion as opposed to what we generally get in natter.

I didn't even realise TV was allowed in Natter until I saw it mentioned here. But then, I am 34% stupid.

You know, I had presumed that Drive would of course be black-font discussed in Minearverse, and was intending to subscribe back to that thread when the show started if I found it met my discussion-needed needs.