why not simply define that particular thread according to the shows y'all actually want to discuss
From my point of view, that's best for me as it allows me to easily pick where to put or go for stuff. But I realise I might be a minority view point.
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A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
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Kevin - Apr 06, 2007 1:58:18 pm PDT #8777 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
amych - Apr 06, 2007 2:02:26 pm PDT #8778 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
Again, I'm in favor of being able to tell from the name/description what is actually going on in the thread.
Agreed. I think where we disagree is that people in favor (or, okay, me plus my usual brilliant skill at botching what other people are maybe saying) are talking about this:
why not simply define that particular thread according to the shows y'all actually want to discuss,
only from a position of seeing it as a sort-of genre analogous to Nutty's mediafandom point, rather than a list of "this is in, this is out".
Anymore, it seems like TV threads are defined by the fact that people hate them enough to bitch about the fact that there's chocolate in my peanut butter too much discussion. I strongly want a better way to support "I love this shiny new thing, and I know just the place to find a hivemind even if it didn't exist at the time the thread was proposed". We've built that feeling, somewhat accidentally, in Boxed Set, and calling that thread SF/F was a retrofit. I don't think that kind of retrofitting is a bad thing, when it matches what's actually happening.
Maybe I'm just wired folksonomic.
§ ita § - Apr 06, 2007 2:03:33 pm PDT #8779 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
that (usually subtextual) definition is how things are classed into or out of the thread
How did you support that again? I mean, I discuss all the SF shows in there that I want to, and not the ones I don't. The places for selection, then rest with my subconscious, or what people will engage with me on.
Is there no media fannish stuff in Natter? Premium?
§ ita § - Apr 06, 2007 2:06:06 pm PDT #8780 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
We've built that feeling, somewhat accidentally, in Boxed Set, and calling that thread SF/F was a retrofit
I thought that it was called SFF from the moment the decision was made to combine SFF threads to make it, accompanying by the implicit assumption (still violated, but by a vote each time) that anything else that came up that fit the SFF mould would be happily placed there too.
This is easily one of the most confusing B'cacy discussions I've participated in. I don't feel I'm speaking English anymore.
amych - Apr 06, 2007 2:09:32 pm PDT #8781 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
I may be misremembering. I'd thought that adding SFF to the description/slug was fairly recent, after the last round of "no, I don't know what genre means".
And the original decision to combine never read to me as "it's an SFF thread" but as "we have these threads that aren't Buffyverse".
Jessica - Apr 06, 2007 2:16:38 pm PDT #8782 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
the original decision to combine never read to me as "it's an SFF thread" but as "we have these threads that aren't Buffyverse".
I agree with this. I think it became the de facto SFF thread after people started discussing Stargate in there. (Which I remember at the time being confusing to me, since it wasn't part of the thread's original purpose.)
If we were creating the thread today based on its current content, I think Due South would be stuck in Natter.
Hayden - Apr 06, 2007 2:19:13 pm PDT #8783 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
why not simply define that particular thread according to the shows y'all actually want to discuss, and not worry about trying to invent a category based on network or genre or anything else?
I'm in favor of that, but trying to play the game, too.
§ ita § - Apr 06, 2007 2:20:36 pm PDT #8784 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
after the last round of "no, I don't know what genre means"
I saw the two terms as equivalent, and I remember the discussion on what genre was going back way earlier than this last mention.
Lemme go look and see how much I made up.
amych - Apr 06, 2007 2:24:05 pm PDT #8785 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
I saw the two terms as equivalent
And other people didn't, or the discussion wouldn't have happened.
I never had a problem with "genre" in the slug, but I saw the thread as stuff that only coincidentally happened to be a subset of SFF, mostly, but it was a pretty bullshit-consensed subset.
§ ita § - Apr 06, 2007 2:33:24 pm PDT #8786 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Okay. I skimmed back through Lightbulbs and there was a discussion of consolidating into two threads--one Hoyay and one SciFi. The Hoyay one got nixed, and we were left with Boxed Set with the Hoyay rolled in.
I never for a moment saw any of the HoYay shows as non SFF, so it didn't ping my meter for a moment.
Plus HoYay can live anywhere, and often does.
I think "genre" first came up around here: Kat "Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!" Aug 20, 2003 9:37:46 am PDT as a consolidating term.
And I thought the genre discussion last was to say "the genre is SFF." Was it really to say "okay, we'd meant something else by genre, let's switch to SFF"?