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Bureaucracy 3: Oh, so now you want to be part of the SOLUTION?  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Sean K - Jan 01, 2007 6:38:37 pm PST #7523 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Trudy, I appreciate that you have strong feelings about it, and concerns about the feelings of others, but there is more than one way to look at this, and this...

I know people have been burned internet-wise plenty, but I think the potential harm to their feelings is far less grave than the potential harm to his family's.

....doesn't mean the rest of us think that, nor does it automatically make us bad people for not thinking exactly the same way you do.

Edited to be less inflamatory.


Sue - Jan 01, 2007 6:38:56 pm PST #7524 of 10001
hip deep in pie

I'm glad other people have brought up their concerns, because I was skeptical from the moment I saw that post, and I thought I was being so cynical that I was going to hell.

Then I Googled, pretty much the same searches Steph did, and I was even more skeptical, but I didn't want to say anything. I didn't really have a relationship with Gus, and I wasn't sure if anyone had ever met him or not, and I didn't really want to bring up those questions while people were grieving, but I'm glad someone did.


tommyrot - Jan 01, 2007 6:51:05 pm PST #7525 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Please share. Patterns count.

OK:

Gus was on the Midwest Buffista mailing list. He expressed an interest in attending our mini-f2f in June '04. But then his spam filter blocked the mailing list emails, so he found out about it too late. OK, that one's actually really plausible.

Gus invited area Buffistas to a party. I posted that I wanted to go, but Gus didn't see my post as he had logged off just before, so I never got the address from him. OK, that's pretty plausible too.

Gus invited area Buffistas to "Weremonkeyfest" in summer of '05. But he was in Switzerland prior to this and forgot all about it.

When Gus was in Switzerland, I asked for his address so I could mail him a book. He gave me his Wisconsin address, telling me that someone regularly forwarded his mail to his place in Switzerland.

OK, those are all pretty innocuous. On to the car stuff (which makes me look like an idiot, I'm afraid).

Gus offered to give me his '88 or so Mercedes 300E. He said he couldn't drive anymore and that it wasn't running, but I could have it if I was willing to try to have it fixed. I agreed. (I'm guessing that it would have cost $500-$1000 to fix, and if it was fixed it might be worth $4000.) What followed was a long, drawn out affair of Gus trying to get pictures of the car for me, trying to work out how he'd get the car to me, etc. Much of the delay was my fault, as I was dragging my feet on it due to depression, etc. But there were delays and delays because he couldn't get a picture (he eventually sent me one) and he couldn't get a hold of his mechanic who was going to do the shipping (his mechanic was a drinker and was unreliable) and then he was in the hospital several times when he had scheduled the mechanic to pick up the car. (The price his mechanic quoted him for shipping the car to Chicago was $200, which is very very cheap for the distance and for a non-running car.) Finally, he told me that his mechanic would pick the car up and that I should call the mechanic directly. The # that he gave me for the mechanic is the same as the WHOIS # for his site. And like I said, the # led to a difficult to understand voicemail, and none of my calls were returned.


DavidS - Jan 01, 2007 6:58:38 pm PST #7526 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

The more I hear the more I doubt.

Ahhh, weremonkey. You know he delurked right around when Anathema was posting. There's one Gus post in Natter 8. After the death announcement I went back to Natter 9 (his first COMM'd post) and searched back and was surprised to see posts by Anathema.

Natter 9 was a busy time. meara had broken her wrist curling. Around the time of Cindy's father's death. I had just asked JZ to marry me.

I mean, I could feel okay if Gus were a pseud. I got along with that person/persona. But I'd really be angry to find out it was Mieskie/Anathema/Schmoker.

Where's John H. and his cynical sleuthing when you need him?


DCJensen - Jan 01, 2007 6:59:13 pm PST #7527 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Current concerns aside, should the proposed Gus thread become whole, I would like to propose the thread begin with a post of:

Giles: Yes, it's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart
and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their
pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save
the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after.
Buffy: Liar


SailAweigh - Jan 01, 2007 7:00:53 pm PST #7528 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I have to admit I'm pretty naive about fandom scams, but I'm willing to be guided by those who have in the realm of wait and see. While I wasn't suspicious when I heard the news last night, I still did some googling to try and find his obit or any other information. There's an obit site I found, yet could find no obit for a Guy Straley. I also tried everything I know at the UW website to try and find Gus. I belong to the WAA (Wisconsin Alumni Association) so if he was findable, I should have been able to find him. I can't. Not listed as fac/staff, not listed as an alum, nada, zip, zilch. I did a quick search of MadCat, the online reference library for the UW and couldn't find any articles of any kind with his name on them. I'm very sad to think this might be a psuedicide, I don't get the point of it.


DavidS - Jan 01, 2007 7:01:30 pm PST #7529 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Oh, Daniel that's got at least nine layers of irony considering the current situation.


tommyrot - Jan 01, 2007 7:01:55 pm PST #7530 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Where did Mieskie/Anathema/Schmoker live? That Gus was in Western Wisconsin seems pretty well substantiated.


DavidS - Jan 01, 2007 7:03:03 pm PST #7531 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Where did Mieskie/Anathema/Schmoker live?

I don't know. John H. tracked him down. I don't remember the details.


bon bon - Jan 01, 2007 7:03:56 pm PST #7532 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

The schmoker theory sounds strange to me, as we suspected pretty quickly that mieskie had returned and no one suspected the same about Gus. I think the timeline is probably a coincidence.