Are there referrer logs that come without a meter/counter?

Referrer logs are a standard HTTP server function. Every time a web page is served up, information is written to a file.

Meters and counters -- well, I'm not sure precisely how meter is defined, but counters have no inherent relation to or dependence on a referrer log.

There's nothing you have to do or install to have server logs generated -- the magic is in parsing them usefully.

Aha. Okay, I didn't know that. So that counter software just reports to you the referrer logs you could view yourself if you knew how.

Lots of web page hosting companies (the free ones mostly) do not give the user sufficient access to look at the referrer logs. For those users, counter applets can be useful.

Absolutely. They just don't have anything to do with logs (well, it's been a while -- they used to be apps that wrote their own info -- but in the page (even with server side scripting), not independent of it).

Jesse -- did B&N ever affiliate us?

No, they hate us.

Hmmph. Tossers.

Even better, I couldn't remember what had happened, so I filled out the thing to be affiliated again, and they were just like, "Um. No. You tried this already. GO AWAY." Stupid Barnes & Noble.

I sent her email. I'll probably reply in-thread, too, just to be on the safe side.

Wacky, wacky, wacky.

To go right back, I would support any suggestion of a Veronica Mars thread. Not just cos it's ace, but because we should be discussing it: it's the first really convincingly post-Buffy (as opposed to sub-Buffy) show, it's nakedly Buffy-inspired, next year it will have 2 main cast Buffy alumni. It'll never be exactly because the only really real Buffy is really real Buffy and she's gone, but if we're going to be called Buffistas we should, surely, have a place to talk about VM.