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Bureaucracy 3: Oh, so now you want to be part of the SOLUTION?  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


DavidS - Aug 31, 2004 9:53:25 am PDT #2059 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Okay, so then why did you, Hec?

Because ita seemed interested in how she was being perceived different than how she perceived herself.

No, it helped me. I know it's not just Sean that feels hurt, and Nutty squirmy. This I hadn't realised, and is valuable information for me.

Also, since I particularly value her discussion style I wanted to note that. Though on re-read, if I were ita I might be tempted to say, "Thanks so much for your defense which included the image of me callously poking a finger into somebody's wound." I don't know - it made sense to me at the time.


msbelle - Aug 31, 2004 9:55:45 am PDT #2060 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I'd totally win the argument though, wouldn't I?

we aren't arguing, nice lady. What you would win is the special prize of FIREMEN!!! woohoo.


Polgara - Aug 31, 2004 10:02:46 am PDT #2061 of 10001
Karma is a cat, sleeping in my lap cuz it loves me. ~TS

Does that help clear things up?

Actually, it does. I rarely hang out at Bureaucracy, so knowing it's often in turmoil helps immensely, as does this:

Lots of people jumped down Sean's throat in Natter and demanded he apologize. All people did to Allyson was disagree with her. Nobody's demanding she apologize.

Although I disagree with

Not what happened. Sean screamed obscenities at ita, ita responded admirably.

There were six whole posts and seven minutes between the Sean and ita posts, and I think that's a lot of time. But that's just my opinion, and I can accept that we don't agree on it.

Polgara, I also think maybe who is being seen as being piled on depends on the reader's perspective, and how close they are to each of the people involved. Obviously, you are closer to ita and Allyson than to Sean, so you feel more strongly about posts directed to them, which is how it should be.

This also makes perfect sense to me, and I should've taken it into account. I did get kinda riled up and defensive on ita and Allyson's part, and it is easier for me to understand Allyson's voice vs. Sean's.


Jessica - Aug 31, 2004 10:04:11 am PDT #2062 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

We need a new Bitch thread.

The consensus seems to be "A Whole Different Vibe."


deborah grabien - Aug 31, 2004 10:04:24 am PDT #2063 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Other subject entirely for a moment: may we have a new Bitches, please?


§ ita § - Aug 31, 2004 10:07:14 am PDT #2064 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I got the bitch thing.


DavidS - Aug 31, 2004 10:09:12 am PDT #2065 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

There were six whole posts and seven minutes between the Sean and ita posts, and I think that's a lot of time.

Polgara, I think in retrospect most folks are thinking that was too much time. What happened in part (I think) was a certain amount of deference towards ita - to not fight her battles for her - that short circuited what would normally have been a quick response to Sean.


Betsy HP - Aug 31, 2004 10:10:55 am PDT #2066 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Just for the record, I adore arguing with ita, because she keeps me honest. I vehemently disagree with her on some issues, but she demands I reason carefully and provide facts.


DCJensen - Aug 31, 2004 10:12:53 am PDT #2067 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Shouldn't Spikes Bitch 18 be plural?


Jesse - Aug 31, 2004 10:12:56 am PDT #2068 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I don't see anything wrong with people being "piled on" when they are wrong, sorry. Sometimes someone says something offensive to one person, sometimes someone says something offensive to the whole community. The only way to tell which is for people to say so. I know this looks like piling on, but if we are such delicate flowers that we can't handle five or ten people typing "You're wrong," or "You're out of line," we should really think much much longer before hitting "Post message." And this is true of my best friend and my worst enemy.