oooh thanks for the info Jsw - I went ahead with Men of the East based on spotty recollections- friend was very confused by their non-orcish-ness - she thought only the orcs were bad. It's always interesting to find out what non-readers see vs. what you see.
Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.
Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'
LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".
Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".
A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.
tina f. - Dec 23, 2003 11:04:10 am PST #798 of 3902
Calli - Dec 23, 2003 11:10:31 am PST #799 of 3902
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
friend was very confused by their non-orcish-ness - she thought only the orcs were bad.
I think remember a line in RotK about human mercenaries being brought in by Sauron. Meh -- it's a long movie, so it's easy to miss a line or two.
tina f. - Dec 23, 2003 11:17:56 am PST #800 of 3902
I think remember a line in RotK about human mercenaries being brought in by Sauron.
I missed that - I think the only reason I would have *maybe* understood what they were doing there was because you see them heading to Mordor in TTT.
It is impossible for me to see the movies from any other perspective, obviously, but I often imagine if I hadn't the read books it would all be too much to keep track of and I wouldn't care because of that- not because the story is too complicated - becuase I am that dumb and have a lack of attention span a lot of the time. I am that girl that came out of the movie Memento and went "was that supposed to be backwards or something?"
Miracleman - Dec 23, 2003 1:05:02 pm PST #801 of 3902
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020
Okay, I wasn't clear...
Leggy being CGI didn't bother me...it was the "Oh, good, a gratuitous and completely implausible series of stunts for the friggin' elf again. Yea. O Yea. SHUT UP, LEGOLAS!"
But I am SO in the minority on this and I know it.
§ ita § - Dec 23, 2003 1:05:41 pm PST #802 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Gratuitous, sure. Improbable? How so?
Aims - Dec 23, 2003 1:06:21 pm PST #803 of 3902
Shit's all sorts of different now.
Get 'im, ita.
Volans - Dec 23, 2003 1:12:39 pm PST #804 of 3902
move out and draw fire
MM, I'm kinda with you, if only because it made me think "Ya know, if they could've rounded up another two or three wood elves, this would be a piece of cake. Not like those candy-ass Galadhrim that showed up at Helm's Deep and then got slaughtered to the last elf."
Faramir is supposed to represent that the blood of Numenor yet runs true in Gondor.
JSw, wrod. Other than Faramir admittedly being a bit Tolkein!Sue as Jess put it, his uncorrruptibility serves a real purpose in the books, by telling us there's some reason to help Gondor. The only person we've got to represent Gondor before we meet Faramir is Boromir, who's pretty much a dick in the books. More sympathetic in the movie, but between him and Denethor, King Theoden's question of "And why should we aid Gondor?" seems reasonable. As far as the unspoiled can tell, Gondor's as big a threat to the quest as Isengard.
Sure, TTT TELLS us that Gondor's the good guys, but doesn't prove it. I'm not convinced ROTK proves it either, with the exception of the soldiers.
(Starts thinking about a screenplay without Faramir)
Miracleman - Dec 23, 2003 1:14:54 pm PST #805 of 3902
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020
Gratuitous, sure. Improbable? How so?
Not getting into it. It's simply improbable.
Micole - Dec 23, 2003 1:19:13 pm PST #806 of 3902
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.
I'm with MM. I hate Legolas jumping on the horse (in front of its legs!?!), the snowboard shield, and the death of the oliphaunt. They all leap out at me as gratuituous anachronistic crowd-pleasers.
And I like Legolas in general. Even if Orlando Bloom only has two expressions, the one where he narrows his eyes and the one where he widens them.
§ ita § - Dec 23, 2003 1:24:34 pm PST #807 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The horse bothers me, but less than it did. The shield doesn't bother me, but it will.
The Oliphaunt, not at all, aside from the places where it screamed CGI. I miss eye-stabby arrow-nocky Legolas, but I am about the kill count, so I'll take it this way too.