Gratuitous, sure. Improbable? How so?
Sometimes a thing gets broke, can't be fixed.
Kaylee ,'Out Of Gas'
LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".
Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".
A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.
§ ita § - Dec 23, 2003 1:05:41 pm PST #802 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Aims - Dec 23, 2003 1:06:21 pm PST #803 of 3902
Shit's all sorts of different now.
Get 'im, ita.
Volans - Dec 23, 2003 1:12:39 pm PST #804 of 3902
move out and draw fire
MM, I'm kinda with you, if only because it made me think "Ya know, if they could've rounded up another two or three wood elves, this would be a piece of cake. Not like those candy-ass Galadhrim that showed up at Helm's Deep and then got slaughtered to the last elf."
Faramir is supposed to represent that the blood of Numenor yet runs true in Gondor.
JSw, wrod. Other than Faramir admittedly being a bit Tolkein!Sue as Jess put it, his uncorrruptibility serves a real purpose in the books, by telling us there's some reason to help Gondor. The only person we've got to represent Gondor before we meet Faramir is Boromir, who's pretty much a dick in the books. More sympathetic in the movie, but between him and Denethor, King Theoden's question of "And why should we aid Gondor?" seems reasonable. As far as the unspoiled can tell, Gondor's as big a threat to the quest as Isengard.
Sure, TTT TELLS us that Gondor's the good guys, but doesn't prove it. I'm not convinced ROTK proves it either, with the exception of the soldiers.
(Starts thinking about a screenplay without Faramir)
Miracleman - Dec 23, 2003 1:14:54 pm PST #805 of 3902
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020
Gratuitous, sure. Improbable? How so?
Not getting into it. It's simply improbable.
Micole - Dec 23, 2003 1:19:13 pm PST #806 of 3902
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.
I'm with MM. I hate Legolas jumping on the horse (in front of its legs!?!), the snowboard shield, and the death of the oliphaunt. They all leap out at me as gratuituous anachronistic crowd-pleasers.
And I like Legolas in general. Even if Orlando Bloom only has two expressions, the one where he narrows his eyes and the one where he widens them.
§ ita § - Dec 23, 2003 1:24:34 pm PST #807 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The horse bothers me, but less than it did. The shield doesn't bother me, but it will.
The Oliphaunt, not at all, aside from the places where it screamed CGI. I miss eye-stabby arrow-nocky Legolas, but I am about the kill count, so I'll take it this way too.
Elena - Dec 23, 2003 1:58:00 pm PST #808 of 3902
Thanks for all the fish.
Faramir resisting the ring in the book always annoyed me. Because everyone else was tempted by it. Galadriel, Gandalf, all the other humans. (We'll ignore Tom Bombadil because he annoys the fuck out of me) It never struck me as plausible that he was the one human in all the world that was incorruptible.
scrappy - Dec 23, 2003 2:00:35 pm PST #809 of 3902
Nobody
Besides, incorruptability is dramatically boring. I mean, even Jesus got tempted by evil.
Elena - Dec 23, 2003 2:01:27 pm PST #810 of 3902
Thanks for all the fish.
Give me shades of gray anytime.
Katie M - Dec 23, 2003 2:02:36 pm PST #811 of 3902
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
I always figured that Faramir in the books didn't have time to be tempted, and assumed that he would've been had he been around it for long enough.
I mean, Sam is just barely tempted.
Sure, TTT TELLS us that Gondor's the good guys, but doesn't prove it. I'm not convinced ROTK proves it either, with the exception of the soldiers.
Mmm. Yeah, I missed the scenes in RotK-the-book that gave Minas Tirith some life; as it was (and again, all sympathies to the movie-makers) it was just Generic City Needing Defending #2.