Mal: You know, you ain't quite right. River: It's the popular theory.

'Objects In Space'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


Kate P. - Dec 21, 2003 4:54:52 pm PST #583 of 3902
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Ideally, I'd like to watch FotR, TTT before seeing RotK, again.

Having sat through all eleven hours of Trilogy Tuesday, I think this is the perfect way to view ROTK. It definitely builds on the establishment of characters and setting in FOTR and TTT. Actually, when I saw TTT for the first time, I hadn't watched FOTR in months (due to being on semester abroad in South Africa), and I thought that it (TTT) suffered from the same problem: it really depends on FOTR for emotional investment. I recall being a little disappointed in it, initially. So I think FOTR is the best as a stand-alone movie, but really, it's hard for me to separate them in my mind now, because I think of it as one super-long movie.

I was thinking about FOTR at work today. I kept picturing Sam and Frodo walking across fields and mountains, and the gorgeous scenery shots, and Sam saying "Did you hear that? We're going to see the elves!" That sequence is pure magic.

RotK is paced entirely wrong for a movie, but well as the end of the story.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense to me. I also didn't notice pacing issues much when I saw it as part of Trilogy Tuesday, but I sure did when I saw it again last night.


smonster - Dec 21, 2003 6:24:39 pm PST #584 of 3902
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Steph - loved hearing your take, as a non-reader: I'm so deep in the book-love I can't come at it from that perspective. Love your little Sunnydale parallels, too. Will have to ponder on that.

I'm with BHP et al on Denethor. It struck me as an image PJ just couldn't resist capturing; the Nazgul coming at Frodo on the bridge in Osgiliath in TTT strikes me the same way.

Viewing the 2nd will be Tuesday, I think.


Consuela - Dec 21, 2003 6:34:35 pm PST #585 of 3902
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Steph, I really don't think your responses are very far from many others here. Greater and lesser tolerances for certain things, sure, and a keen awareness that there are pacing problems.


Steph L. - Dec 21, 2003 6:36:09 pm PST #586 of 3902
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Steph, I really don't think your responses are very far from many others here.

t relieved that the beating won't last very long....


ted r - Dec 21, 2003 6:49:22 pm PST #587 of 3902
"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein

I didn't have any pacing problems (but then I never viewed it as anything but the last third of one very long movie, which might explain that).


§ ita § - Dec 21, 2003 7:44:09 pm PST #588 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

From E Online:

Since the PG-13 New Line release's record $34.1 million domestic debut Wednesday, the concluding adventure detailing the trials, tribulations and battles of Frodo, Sam, Aragorn, Gandalf, Legolas, Gollum, et al., has earned $125 million. That's a five-day record for a movie opening on a Wednesday, beating the $105.6 million earned in May 1999 by Stars Wars: Episode I--The Phantom Menace.


Sean K - Dec 21, 2003 7:46:41 pm PST #589 of 3902
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Yep, Steph, I'm pretty much good with your points. Not actually going to shun or beat you (unless it's in the fun way...). You weren't so terribly blasphemous after all. Love your Sunnydale parallels, too.

*smooch*


Aims - Dec 21, 2003 7:50:08 pm PST #590 of 3902
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Denethor's a right fuck, ain't he?


§ ita § - Dec 21, 2003 7:51:23 pm PST #591 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He's not as much of a fuck (and there's backstory) as Legolas is pretty, though.


Aims - Dec 21, 2003 7:52:58 pm PST #592 of 3902
Shit's all sorts of different now.

And that shot you were speaking of? Is it when he walks into Frodo's bedroom in Gondor ??

Cause. Yeah. Heheheheheh.