Tracy: Well-- That call -- That call means you just murdered me. Mal: No, son. You murdered yourself. I just carried the bullet a while.

'The Message'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


Connie Neil - Dec 20, 2003 8:07:57 pm PST #524 of 3902
brillig

I'm pretty sure Christopher Lee is taller.

Powers of ultimate evil are supposed to be tall, I think it's in the rules. How else can one loom effectively?


Elena - Dec 20, 2003 8:10:13 pm PST #525 of 3902
Thanks for all the fish.

I've always had a bit of a problem with food critics. Because you can say that something wasn't prepared according the the receipe, but you can't say that it didn't taste good. Or, more accurately, you can only say that you didn't like it. Who knows what the next person will like.

Media critics, as well, can only really say that they enjoyed a movie, or that they thought it was good or bad or the best movie of the year. It's all opinion, all subjective. It is frequently not presented as opinion, but fact.


§ ita § - Dec 20, 2003 8:16:09 pm PST #526 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, there's according to the recipe, and there's authentic, for instance. If a restaurant makes a mockery of Jamaican food, I'm not going to go there for a taste of home, and I don't mind knowing that up front.

If I'm in the mood for a nice adventure movie, and something being sold as one fails to meet genre criteria that the critic tells me about -- I've been done a service.


ted r - Dec 20, 2003 8:16:41 pm PST #527 of 3902
"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein

Ita-true, and I shouldn't have. (That's what comes of switching back and forth between this board and another where I've been arguing about Bushonomics.) Still, I think the word used in the phrase "entire class of people" takes on a different meaning, as if I was oppressing some historical minority group.


§ ita § - Dec 20, 2003 8:17:41 pm PST #528 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I can't apologise for what you inferred from it, since those are the words I meant to use, and I don't get that subtext from it.


Elena - Dec 20, 2003 8:20:27 pm PST #529 of 3902
Thanks for all the fish.

Well, sure, ita. But you'd have to know the critic to take their opinon, wouldn't you? On food, film, fun.


ted r - Dec 20, 2003 8:21:28 pm PST #530 of 3902
"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein

I wasn't looking for apologies, from you or Sean. I was merely expressing my general disdain for professional film critics. I suspect that is a minority view around here-though apparently not entirely a solitary one.


Susan W. - Dec 20, 2003 8:25:04 pm PST #531 of 3902
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

But you'd have to know the critic to take their opinon, wouldn't you?

IME you can tell a lot by reading between the lines--also, a good reviewer will tell you things like how authentic a restaurant is to an ethnic cuisine or how seriously a historical romance takes the history side of the equation. With movies, if there's any doubt over whether or not I want to see it, I read a selection of reviews--I figure 10 minutes getting a feel for critical consensus is worth it if it saves me wasting money or time on a crap movie, or gets me to try something good where the premise and previews alone wouldn't have hooked me.


§ ita § - Dec 20, 2003 8:26:31 pm PST #532 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But you'd have to know the critic to take their opinon, wouldn't you? On food, film, fun.

Absolutely. Just like I need to know your taste history before I can know how relevant your opinions are to my potential future enjoyment.

If I'm going to make a decision on what to partake of, and what not ... I have to take someone's word for quality. Evaluate the critics, to help me ration what I sample.


P.M. Marc - Dec 20, 2003 8:30:12 pm PST #533 of 3902
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Hmm.

You know, we do *have* people who do reviews as more than just a hobby on the board. Just a thought.

Well, sure, ita. But you'd have to know the critic to take their opinon, wouldn't you? On food, film, fun.

I'd just have to have some knowledge of the critic. I wouldn't take Joe Critic's word for something unless I'd previously read Joe Critic's work, found that Joe Critic and I agreed on things X, Y, but not Z, and then made my will I or won't I based on a combination of what Joe Critic had said before and my own pre-existing opinions about the subject or food type.