Is it stated to him, or understood?
Never goes smooth. How come it never goes smooth?
Mal ,'Safe'
LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".
Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".
A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.
§ ita § - Dec 20, 2003 1:34:55 pm PST #497 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Cindy - Dec 20, 2003 1:36:08 pm PST #498 of 3902
Nobody
Skipping to gloat that I'm unexpectedly expecting to see this movie at 8:05. By my PC clock that means there's just 89 minutes--exactly--left to go!
Whee.
DavidS - Dec 20, 2003 1:39:28 pm PST #499 of 3902
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Spoilers for the EE. If this is all true, even more people noting omissions here are going to be pleased.
That does allay some of my quibbles, but damn...it really makes it a different movie in some respects. Notably... what's really going on when Aragorn and troops are drawing out Sauron's forces at the black gates.
Katie M - Dec 20, 2003 1:55:07 pm PST #500 of 3902
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Spoilers for the EE.
Mouth of Sauron! Frodo's mithril coat! Woo!
Nutty - Dec 20, 2003 2:00:49 pm PST #501 of 3902
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Is it stated to him, or understood?
Finally found it. Appendix A, Ballantine P. 422-5:
A great doom awaits you, either to rise above the height of all your fathers since the days of Elendil, or to fall into darkness with all that is left of your kin. [...]
Therefore, though I love you, I say to you: Arwen Undomiel shall not diminish her life's grace for less cause. She shall not be the bride of any Man less than the King of both Gondor and Arnor.
...actually, if book-Arwen had a spine at all, she probably would have told her pop to butt out, since she'd already plighted (??) her troth to Strider back when he was a mere 49 years old.
Katie M - Dec 20, 2003 2:03:00 pm PST #502 of 3902
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Yeah, which pretty much proves that Arwen was not so much with the spine.
I really much prefer Luthien. Luthien was not a woman who took crap from anybody.
ted r - Dec 20, 2003 6:27:40 pm PST #503 of 3902
"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein
Well I finally saw it and greatly enjoyed it. I now have to go back and reread all the white-fonted stuff.
Caryn James in the Sunday NYTimes expresses her general dislike of the 3 films. It's one if those "I don't get it, so there must not be anything to get" sort of reviews that are the reason I tend to hold critics as a class in contempt.
§ ita § - Dec 20, 2003 6:43:45 pm PST #504 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It's one if those "I don't get it, so there must not be anything to get" sort of reviews that are the reason I tend to hold critics as a class in contempt.
What about the 162 critics metered at rottentomatoes that liked it? They don't mitigate the class at all?
ted r - Dec 20, 2003 6:59:11 pm PST #505 of 3902
"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein
What about the 162 critics metered at rottentomatoes that liked it? They don't mitigate the class at all?
Nope-because I'm sure almost all of them have written that sort of review about other films.
I'll just add here that not having reread the books in many years, none of the changes bother me (since I didn't remember the specifics of the books well enough to notice them).
Susan W. - Dec 20, 2003 7:00:10 pm PST #506 of 3902
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
I just read the article in question. (It's here.)
Thing is, I wouldn't really call it a review per se. It's basically someone who doesn't like something that's both popular and acclaimed, trying to justify her dislike. Which only works if you do a much better job marshalling your argument than she does. She comes across pretty petulant and snooty. But it's really more a pop culture opinion essay than a critic's review.