Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"?
Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn.
Aragorn: I like "Strider."
Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".
A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.
I got the impression she was trained for battle, but had never been in one
She'd received training, but if that training had been with the practical purpose of her standing to fight with the army then Eomer wouldn't have been so dismissive of her before the army rode out. Boy, that scene erks me. I can see Eomer being resigned to dying in battle, but Theoden is leaving the entire kingdom in Eowyn's hands, with the probability of bloody last-stand fighting going on, and no one is quibbling at her ability to lead. In the book, I got the impression that she was more than capable of taking her fair place on the walls if need be.
He's wearing her down on purpose, right? Is that because he wanted her stumbling and quaking for the fight, or sort of a larger scope thing, that all the other actors were pretty fatigued after years of filming, and she would've seemed too energetic next to them?
Raquel, I think he was wearing her down on purpose to get her stumbling and quaking. There is a grand tradition among directors who want their actor to look truly ruined and haggard, to just do the scenes over and over again until the actor can barely stand -- the drunk-as-hell, punching-the-mirror scene from Apocalypse Now, a sequence in Dune where David Lynch drove Kyle McLaughlin to actual screaming tears.
I'm pretty sure PJ wanted her to look like she could barely stand, and had decided the best way to do that was to push her until she could barely stand.
(According to Martin Sheen, the drunk-as-hell scene was not an over-and-over type of situation so much as an actual drunk-as-hell scene that went further in improv than planned. He planned to punch at the mirror; he didn't plan to connect and cut himself; having cut himself, they all went with the ensuing psychodrama.)
(Sort of a quibble, though -- Sean's point about some directors liking realism more than the actors do still stands.)
I would have said, generally, that Jackson isn't that sort of director. Based on other comments actors have made, it sounded more like he was a bit of a technician, not caring where the tone of the voice came from so much as how it came out. (After all, he makes actors act against nothing all the time.) But, maybe he mixes up his tricks more than is obvious.
According to Martin Sheen, the drunk-as-hell scene was not an over-and-over type of situation so much as an actual drunk-as-hell scene that went further in improv than planned.
Yeah, that one wasn't so much that they kept going over and over, but that when the scene started going to a VERY intense emotional place, they all went all the way there.
But, maybe he mixes up his tricks more than is obvious.
This, I think. Yeah, I don't see Jackson as one of those directors either. Actually, I'd imagine he only did it for the "physically exhausted" aspect of it, rather than any emotional reality. If, in fact, it wasn't that he just didn't like any of the earlier takes.
Based on other comments actors have made, it sounded more like he was a bit of a technician, not caring where the tone of the voice came from so much as how it came out.
I think you're right--one of the commentaries pointed out that the scene where Sam rescues Frodo in the tower of Cirith Ungol was completely rethought in the editing room, so much so that the two actors were completely surprised when they saw the final cut, since it had a totally different meaning than the way that they filmed it.
a sequence in Dune where David Lynch drove Kyle McLaughlin to actual screaming tears.
I'm really curious about which scene this is. Is it the box o' fire&pain scene?
David Lynch drove Kyle McLaughlin to actual screaming tears
Did he show him dailies of his performance?
Heh!
Although I do have a soft spot for Dune, god bless Sting and his metallic blue Always-with-Wings.
I'm really curious about which scene this is. Is it the box o' fire&pain scene?
No, it was one of the scenes out in the Arakis wastes with the Freemen.
