Sam and Frodo sounding different across the class divide makes sense to me

Also the fact that Frodo was not born at Bag End. He only moved in with Bilbo after Frodo's parents died. Merry & Pippin's accents should have been closer together because they grew up together.

Actually, Merry and Frodo both grew up in Brandy Hall, but Frodo was adopted by Bilbo at around 20, IIRC. Pippin grew up on the other end of the Shire in Tuckborough. Sam was the only one to spend his entire life in Hobbitton.

Thank you Kathy!

It really sucks to be away from my Tolkein references when I can't remember stuff. Which is to say, all the time.

There's a good article about Tolkien's depiction of women (and a bit of how Jackson used those female characters in the films) here.

I can't take myself out of her final paragraph:

Although Tolkien's females are conventional, they are also powerful. Females alone can harvest and process the super-nourishing wheat of the gods into "way bread" for journeys. They routinely "see farther" than men and summon sacred trees to grow. They bring inspiration and instill hope. They listen to the woes of the world, encourage resistence, and shed tears of pity. In Tolkien, feminine virtues make life worth living.

Everything but the last sentence screams "stereotype alert!" and as such I swear I thought the writer was critical of them.

They bring inspiration and instill hope. They listen to the woes of the world, encourage resistence, and shed tears of pity. In Tolkien, feminine virtues make life worth living.

Feh. This is the same kind of woman advocated by conservative christian groups.

And the final sentence -- I don't get the precise point she's trying to make. As opposed to what? Has Tolkien impled the life would be better off without men?

Hm. I'm still fouled up on "wheat of the gods". Does that mean, like, gluten-free flour?

I don't 100% disagree with the article in question -- I think Tolkien wrote women the same way Goethe did, das ewig weibliche as the power that enriches and redeems the human race. But I really hate articles that state this basic thesis in ways that glorify it, and that goes double when the article in question feels like something shelved between the "Conversations with the Dalai Lama" and "Healing Your Inner Child" in the Unicorn Books And Spiritual Tools store.

Merry and Frodo both grew up in Brandy Hall, but Frodo was adopted by Bilbo at around 20, IIRC. Pippin grew up on the other end of the Shire in Tuckborough. Sam was the only one to spend his entire life in Hobbitton.

Frodo was born in S. R. 1368. His parents died in 1380, and Bilbo adopted him in 1389.

Sam was born in 1380, Merry in 1382, and Pippin in 1390.

aren't Merry and Frodo cousins? Or Pippin and Frodo?

All three are cousins of various (and multiple) degrees.

Merry and Pippin are double cousins -- 1st and 3rd.

Merry married his 3rd cousin Estella Bolger, who is not only another one of Pippin's 3rd cousins but also Frodo's 2nd cousin once removed. Estella is the sister of Fredegar "Fatty" Bolger.

Frodo is Merry's 1st cousin once removed, 2nd cousin once removed, AND 3rd cousin once removed.

To put it another way: Merry's father was Frodo's 1st cousin, and Merry's mother was both Frodo's 2nd cousin and his 3rd cousin. Merry's parents were 2nd cousins, which makes Merry his own 3rd cousin.

Frodo is both Pippin's 2nd cousin once removed and his 3rd cousin once removed.

What? It's a small Shire. Lots of intermarriage between families.

Oh, and by the way, Sam's daughter Goldilocks married Pippin's son Faramir.

I'm still astonished that Tolkien worked out all the genealogies as thoroughly as he did.

I'm still astonished that Tolkien worked out all the genealogies as thoroughly as he did.

Not to mention creating several (somewhat useable) languages.