...because God knows you need some satisfaction in life besides shagging Captain Cardboard! And I never really liked you anyway. And you have stupid hair!

Spike ,'Selfless'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


DavidS - Dec 19, 2003 9:48:21 am PST #353 of 3902
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Is that the inscription from the One Ring on the collar of Richard Taylor's coat?

Sure is. Burned into the velvet lapels. Very. t /Heathers


Katie M - Dec 19, 2003 9:49:59 am PST #354 of 3902
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Is that the inscription from the One Ring on the collar of Richard Taylor's coat?

*fondly* They're such dorks. It's great.


sumi - Dec 19, 2003 9:53:42 am PST #355 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!

Umm, did they leave this scene out or did I somehow manage to forget it?


Consuela - Dec 19, 2003 9:57:10 am PST #356 of 3902
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Didn't happen, sumi. I think EE.


Cashmere - Dec 19, 2003 10:02:11 am PST #357 of 3902
Now tagless for your comfort.

I would have remembered that scene--vividly. I also assume it's for the EE.


§ ita § - Dec 19, 2003 10:07:24 am PST #358 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I see, Katie. Most of my Moria's not claustrophobic comes from the great hall. The rest I hadn't really thought much about.

I looked carefully for that scene, sumi, and I'm not sure about waiting until November for it.

Suela, how was that described in the books? I'm not a battle specialist, and I thought they were pretty much dead meat any way they cut it. I'd be interested to know the right way, because I don't remember the text.


Nutty - Dec 19, 2003 10:12:37 am PST #359 of 3902
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Right. A lot of the military elements were crowd-pleasing rather than logical. Which I can live with, except inasmuch as I am logical yet also part of the crowd. Whereas, the Freudian Assault on Osgiliath was a proper cavalry formation, just the wrong use of cavalry. Which I am choosing to interpret as intentional mass suicide rather than foolishness or moviemaker error.

Point on the lack of railings in Moria and need for some large gathering-place in MInas Tirith. Still -- child-safety never an issue among the noble southerners? Also, very awkwardly shaped if it was intended as a proscenium. I mean, visually cool, but a little less with the logic than I like.

High marks, however, for capturing the motions of giant trebuchets from the city walls. I saw a thing on PBS about a college engineering team building one from scratch, and those are hella cool.


Nutty - Dec 19, 2003 10:15:59 am PST #360 of 3902
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Cereal:

ita, the scene in question in the books has them all dismounted, but drawn up to two main defensive positions on parallel hills. That is, a big circular hedge of spears, which all things considered is sort of an effective defense against attackers.

Breaking the hedge out into individual spears, less effective. Also, more vulnerable.


§ ita § - Dec 19, 2003 10:17:41 am PST #361 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Moria was a place for a people with a deathwish. Or a setup for whoo!

It's interesting -- I've seen the LotR movies and Heavenly Creatures, so I was slow in coming to what PJ indulging himself looks like -- but with the lack of OSHA in Khazad-Dum and Legolas stair surfing, I feel pretty sure I know it now. It does provide immediate satisfaction, but the stair-surfing probably won't even do that in five years.

Unless Xtreme takes over the world.

edit: Thanks Nutty. It's about all Greek to me without diagrams, but I think I get the distinction.


DavidS - Dec 19, 2003 10:19:16 am PST #362 of 3902
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

From the Elvis Mitchell review:

Aragorn has the slinky swagger and dreamy stubble that make him look like a legend created by Tolkien, Sam Shepard and Ralph Lauren... while poor Liv Tyler, as the elf princess Arwen, is limited to dialogue that sounds like a spoken portion of a Spinal Tap album.

To Nutty's point: Yes, I loved the catapult v. trebuchet battle. Now *that* was cool, and an excellent use of CGI and historically accurate detail.