What? She killed 'em with mathematics. What else could it have been?

Jayne ,'Objects In Space'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


§ ita § - Jan 03, 2005 5:39:15 am PST #3527 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

even back in the studio days

Maybe I just wasn't paying attention, but in the pre-comprehensive-DVD days, I had no simple access to the amount of details I do now. If I didn't troll the 'net, it was all down to the media junket, which certainly didn't tell me about the fart jokes that didn't make it in, or the actor's choices at a given point in the movie, or the composer's train of thought just here.

I bet the creative guys in Hollywood would love to have years on a film with complete access to whoever and whatever they needed

I can just imagine ...

I'm breathtaken by what was accomplished, and the DVDs make it even more impressive, but part of me also wanted to regard PJ (or any creator of something I like) as someone who never committed a misstep to celluloid (or whatever those crazy kids use these days).


Frankenbuddha - Jan 03, 2005 5:44:53 am PST #3528 of 3902
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

And if I'm remembering correctly, PJ has said he'd love to give out even more gory details, but can't right now. Specifically, I think he means the machinations that went down getting the films green lit (and also the Stuart Townsend fiasco - talk about things that would have been a mistake).


Volans - Jan 03, 2005 5:48:57 am PST #3529 of 3902
move out and draw fire

PJ has said he'd love to give out even more gory details, but can't right now

I think they are saving this and some of the un-shown footage for the LOTR Christmas Special. Which, with any luck, will be mostly written by Billy and Dom.


§ ita § - Jan 03, 2005 5:54:34 am PST #3530 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Which, with any luck, will be mostly written by Billy and Dom.

They need to do all the narration too. Or maybe just Billy. Even after a month or so of watching lots of random Scottish actors (the cadence reminds me so of Jamaica, yet is still different and interesting), Billy's voice sends me over the squee-edge. Not least of all because of the cutiehead things he keeps saying. Such a delight.


esse - Jan 03, 2005 7:56:57 am PST #3531 of 3902
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Even after two weeks of living among Scots, Billy Boyd is The Scot for me. Love his voice, accent, the whole bit.


Kathy A - Jan 03, 2005 7:59:03 am PST #3532 of 3902
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Have you watched the Disc 4 intro? I love that, at the end, Billy says, "And make sure you get out of the house once in a while."


JohnSweden - Jan 03, 2005 8:31:17 am PST #3533 of 3902
I can't even.

Billy says, "And make sure you get out of the house once in a while."

Which is an astonishing example of knowing the audience. Advice I'm occasionally successful at taking.

Billy Boyd is The Scot for me.

Hoy! Grumble, grumble. 1000 years of damage to world culture and that little pippin-come-lately represents us? Well, could do worse, I suppose. And have.


esse - Jan 03, 2005 8:42:31 am PST #3534 of 3902
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Well, could do worse, I suppose. And have.

::grin:: There's always you, hon. You're our own personal rep.


Anne W. - Jan 03, 2005 8:43:07 am PST #3535 of 3902
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I actually like the generosity that PJ and crew demonstrate in showing us the fuck-ups, and almost-fuck-ups.

Lordy, yes. I have a feeling that filmmakers for years to come are going to draw valuable lessons from that stuff.


JohnSweden - Jan 03, 2005 8:47:51 am PST #3536 of 3902
I can't even.

There's always you, hon. You're our own personal rep.

::poses dramatically:: Maybe I'll phone in sick and we can get Pip.

Actually, I've always thought of Sean Connery as The Scot. Except in my world, where it is Billy Connolly.