We're deep in space, corner of No and Where.

Mal ,'Objects In Space'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


Volans - Aug 17, 2004 1:27:51 pm PDT #2954 of 3902
move out and draw fire

My vote for what the movies did most successfully in translating the book to film is what Beverly said, but in all aspects. The art absolutely and completely conveyed Tolkein's Middle-Earth, supported and explained and enhanced the story and the characters, and did everything you need a visual medium to do when interpreting a print medium.

The least successful transition was in the characterization of some folks. Whether it was necessary or not, whether it was the right thing to do when making a movie for 21st-century audiences or not, whether it made better characters than Tolkein did or not, the interpretation of Aragorn and Faramir as doubting, conflicted, and uncertain was not Tolkein's intent for those characters. He was creating a mythology, and the Men of Numenor were not three-dimensional. They were stalwart, brave and true, or they were corrupted by an external evil.

Merry and Pippin suffered in the other direction. Again, I think a good decision for the movie in most respects, but you do lose Tolkein's intent of all four hobbits being capable and "in on it" and bridge characters into the mythology.

The movie just missed what would've been the worst possible transition, making Arwen a Warrior Princess, thanks to Liv Tyler's inability to carry it off. FOTR toed that line a little too closely for comfort, but it could've been so much worse.

Normally I would list the absence of The Scouring of the Shire as a big problem also, but I'm not sure it fits the thesis.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 17, 2004 1:56:45 pm PDT #2955 of 3902
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

What, you didn't want to see Liv Tyler in a metal brassiere doing backflips and flinging a chakram at the nazgul?


§ ita § - Aug 17, 2004 3:52:10 pm PDT #2956 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Eomer also has charm on Xena.


Dana - Aug 18, 2004 6:09:37 am PDT #2957 of 3902
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

And wings.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 18, 2004 7:21:45 am PDT #2958 of 3902
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

They're really taking liberties with the historical accuracy of Julius Caesar, aren't they?


Dana - Aug 18, 2004 8:01:11 am PDT #2959 of 3902
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Yes. Julius Caesar, son of Aphrodite.

I have a very hard time turning off my brain for Xena, especially when one episode features the Trojan War and the next features Caesar.


Connie Neil - Aug 18, 2004 8:05:39 am PDT #2960 of 3902
brillig

Well, I was just watching for Ares anyway (weep, weep, Kevin Smith is gone).


Nutty - Aug 18, 2004 8:26:10 am PDT #2961 of 3902
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Julius Caesar, son of Aphrodite.

Say again? Have these people seen busts of ole Julius? A funnier-looking guy I can't think of in antiquity, except maybe Nero. I mean, Narcissus son of Aphrodite, I could buy with appropriate hand-waving, or Julius Caesar bizarro love-child of Jupiter and Mars.

Also, wings? Since when do Roman emperors get wings??


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2004 8:33:59 am PDT #2962 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's a joke, Nutty. Karl Urban played both ol' Jules and Cupid.


Dana - Aug 18, 2004 8:35:14 am PDT #2963 of 3902
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

But see, as Cupid he was blond, and as Caesar, a brunet. So you could tell them apart, I guess. Wings notwithstanding.