Spike: At least give me Wesley's office since he's gone. Angel: He's not gone. He's on a leave of absence. Spike: Yeah, right. Boo-hoo. Thought he killed his bloody father. Try staking your mother when she's coming on to you! Harmony: Well…that explains a lot.

'Destiny'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


Dana - Aug 16, 2004 5:51:41 pm PDT #2922 of 3902
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Denethor went nuts because of a palantir, right? In the book, isn't he more noble, and Pippin gets all attached to him?


sumi - Aug 16, 2004 5:54:05 pm PDT #2923 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!

He was despairing not insane in the book.


dcp - Aug 16, 2004 6:02:07 pm PDT #2924 of 3902
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

Denethor went nuts because of a palantir, right?

Pretty much.

IIRC, Denethor's palantir would only show him what Sauron wanted Denethor to see, which was doom and gloom and hopelessness. Wasn't it Faramir's fall in battle and imminent death by poison that finally sent Denethor mad?

I can't remember why Pippen got attached to Denethor. Was it pity? I'll have to go re-read.


Kathy A - Aug 16, 2004 6:02:16 pm PDT #2925 of 3902
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I think even in the book, Pippin's more attached to Faramir, whereas Denethor just gets his back up. IIRC, he takes the oath out of wounded pride, as well as a bit of owing something to Boromir.


beekaytee - Aug 16, 2004 6:03:27 pm PDT #2926 of 3902
Compassionately intolerant

He's good in Equilibrium, which sucks donkey rocks, he's good in Troy, he's good in that Bond movie, and he's faboo in Sharpe. Plus, tight pants.

teegiggleheehee. This is me.

I lurve Sharpe muchly. Especially the early ones.

Another donkey rocks sucker that Sean is nice to look at in is The Big Empty. (beeeeej! "look at in is"? what kinda phrasing is that?!)

I want to love everything that Jon Favreau does. Can't.

But Sean? Oooooh yeaaaah. Even the Essex Boys. ITA with wanting that one to end pronto.


Dana - Aug 16, 2004 6:11:37 pm PDT #2927 of 3902
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I do love the Brothers Mir.

And thanks to everyone who's answered my questions and put up with my pestering. I do sincerely appreciate it, and since I'm writing my final, this is the last time I'll hijack the thread.


Susan W. - Aug 16, 2004 8:27:45 pm PDT #2928 of 3902
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

If anyone cares to hark back to the first LotR thread, they will find my posts loudly lamenting the fact that Aragorn was sadly miscast, that Bean was clearly the better actor, better voice, yadda yadda.

With me, I think it was before we even created a LotR thread. I watched FotR and fell for Sean Bean within five seconds of his first appearance on the screen. "WHY, WHY did they cast him as the one who dies?" thought I. "He should be Aragorn and be in all three movies." I lamented on Natter, and I think it was Hec who pointed me toward the Sharpe series.

I forgave Viggo for not being Sean halfway through TTT, but I still kinda wish the casting had been flip-flopped. They both give good sexy-n-scruffy, but Sean cleans up prettier. And he's got the sexiest voice of any man on the planet not named Avery Brooks.


Beverly - Aug 16, 2004 8:41:22 pm PDT #2929 of 3902
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

And he's got the sexiest voice of any man on the planet not named Avery Brooks.

Word, big huge heaping helpings of word. With...little sprinkles of...Sean Bean reading...words.

I was *so* secretly pleased that, even though his rumored "vision" appearance to Faramir was cut from the theatrical TTT, his face, well, his profile, was in it, when he grabs Frodo at Khazad Dum in Frodo's dream in the opening sequence. And he was in RotK, too, when Pippin remembers his dying defense of Pippin and Merry at Amon Hen, and thus he did manage to be in all three movies. Made me happy.


Dana - Aug 16, 2004 8:42:47 pm PDT #2930 of 3902
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I completely did not remember that his death isn't even in the book Fellowship. It's dispensed with in about two lines at the beginning of TTT.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 17, 2004 4:52:25 am PDT #2931 of 3902
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

One further change with regards to Denethor and the Palantir - with or without the Palantir, his death in the book would have been far, far better then the firey plunge off the heliport o'doom.