Right. The cultural moment of the Flow-Bee has come and gone, people. Let it lie until VH1 comes along and does a year-by-year clip-show, and you're middle-aged and can laugh at yourself.
Early: So is it still her room when it's empty? Does the room, the thing, have purpose? Or do we -- what's the word? Simon: I really can't help you. Early: The plan is to take your sister. Get the reward, which is substantial. 'Imbue.' That's the word.
'Objects In Space'
LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".
Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".
A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.
Nutty - Dec 18, 2003 7:39:19 am PST #211 of 3902
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
§ ita § - Dec 18, 2003 7:40:28 am PST #212 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
At least Legolas's hair remains largely uncopied.
See, Orlando's rocking the hobbit hair -- they're probably not running the numbers and seeing that their lack of unearthly beauty is going to hamstring their attempt.
Sean K - Dec 18, 2003 7:49:39 am PST #213 of 3902
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
Wonder why test audiences didn't catch that?
The only test audiences they screened the movie for were the cast and crew. PJ doesn't like test audiences, and I kind of agree with him.
I was going to say that if there was a church of tolkien writings, I'd belong to that, but I suppose I already do.
JohnS, that is exactly how I feel. The LotR books touch me in a way the Bible never did. It all feels "truer" to me, somehow.
And count me in as another person who's irritated that the writers took Arwen from a warrior princess to a placeholder for woman. Arwen in rewrites became to Aragorn almost exactly what Aragorn was to Eowyn -- an object of desire more meaningful in the wanting than in the having. Feh.
Arwen (who gets to sit next to her father, sew a banner, get married, and give Frodo her place on the boat to Valinor - does she even have *lines* in the book before RotK?)
No, she doesn't.
§ ita § - Dec 18, 2003 7:53:10 am PST #214 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
give Frodo her place on the boat to Valinor
Is this what she was talking about, oddly, when she's giving Frodo her grace in FotR? That was a weird line, like she was throwing her immortality at any old guy.
Katie M - Dec 18, 2003 7:58:18 am PST #215 of 3902
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Is this what she was talking about, oddly, when she's giving Frodo her grace in FotR? That was a weird line, like she was throwing her immortality at any old guy.
I think so, though I think it was awkward in FotR. In the books, she gives Frodo her sparkly necklace post-Mordor, and if I remember correctly there's some hinting at that time that he'll get her place on the boat. (I mean, I think he would've gotten to go even if she hadn't stayed, but...)
Edited to whitefont - sorry.
§ ita § - Dec 18, 2003 8:00:25 am PST #216 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The boat was pretty empty. I'd have been pissed.
"Sorry, Mister ... Baggins, is it? We don't seem to have you down on your list, so I'm afraid we can't allow you to board. I can check for any later departures, if you'd like."
Katie M - Dec 18, 2003 8:04:11 am PST #217 of 3902
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Snerk. Though not everyone could go. Ringbearers and specially elf-invited dwarves only.
Oh, now I want to go track down the fake Lay of Beleriand (well, not Beleriand really, but you take my point) about Gimli and Galadriel's affair in Valinor...
Consuela - Dec 18, 2003 8:16:05 am PST #218 of 3902
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
now I want to go track down the fake Lay of Beleriand (well, not Beleriand really, but you take my point) about Gimli and Galadriel's affair in Valinor
Good GOD. t falls off chair
You'd think by now nothing would surprise me...
Kate P. - Dec 18, 2003 8:30:43 am PST #219 of 3902
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love
You mean The Lay of Galadriel and Gimli?
Jessica - Dec 18, 2003 8:31:20 am PST #220 of 3902
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
I just found out that by missing Trilogy Tuesday (due to a computer glitch that meant tickets never went on sale online), I missed the film being introduced by all four hobbits, and Andy Serkis singing Frank Sinatra (don't know what song) to the audience in his Gollum voice.
The management at Loews 42nd street must now die.