don't forget his entire, non-believeing, non-supportive family all GETTING OFF THE BUS in South Bend to watch him play. His father in tears from the stands.

Wahhhhh!!

ignoring Nutty's Rudy-as-whiner summation, even though, yeah, that pretty much sums it up

Well, it's an unkind summary, but, you know, props to Rudy for sticking to his whiny guns!

Also, in the movie, there is the hilarity of Vince Vaughn playing a nice boy on the football team, probably the last nice boy character he ever played.

Ack! Missed the links while they still linked to Fran and not Susan Sarandon (who I like fine, but isn't Fran). The Fran secret identify conspiracy continues, at least against me. Mutter, grumble. Guess I could drag my lazy uh, keyboard over to google.

ETA: Okay, not a conspiracy after all. Searching that yahoo site gave me a pic 30 seconds later. Sometimes I forget I can get stuff if I do stuff.

Um, JohnSweden -- later I linked to the picture on the TORN website -- which should still be Howard and Fran.

That one had changed too, sumi. It was just a direct link to the yahoonews page. But that page is searchable, so it is all good.

Sumi, it's not, it's Robbins and Sarandon.

Which made me go, "hey, Howard Shore looks a lot like Tim Robbins, and Fran is a hot-- oh."

Direct link would be nice? ::bats eyes::

Or try here.

Hey, ita, remember when you were talking about that thing that JM does that you saw Orlando do in a photo? Was it something like this?

Hee, sumi. Yes, it was that face, just tilted a little more downward.

the hilarity of Vince Vaughn playing a nice boy on the football team, probably the last nice boy character he ever played

He was nice in The Cell, wasn't he? I mean, nice enough. Still not going to do the homework necessary to accurately compare.

Fran and PJ need to stop dedicating their awards to dead people. You don't want to pull the moment down.

Who was the person mentioned?