Gunn: You saying popping mama threw you a beating? Lorne: Kid Vicious did the heavy lifting. Cordy just mwah-ha-ha'd at us.

'Underneath'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


Consuela - Dec 17, 2003 8:13:13 pm PST #152 of 3902
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Caught up.

I think I need to see it again. I did some sniffling, but no bawling. Gasped outright at the White City, which was jaw-dropping. Loved the battles.

Less enthused about Denethor, who suffered greatly in translation. Sadly, I don't expect it to be rectified in the EE. So much else will be, though.

Sean, I did want to hear "Begone, foul dwimmerlaik!" But you take what you can get. That scene did get a cheer for us, though.

I'm mostly saddened because there isn't any more. I mean, there's the EE, but that's it. ::sob::

God, that was a beautiful movie, editing issues or no. Just gorgeously filmed. Pippin and Sam were both marvelous.


Jeff Mejia - Dec 17, 2003 8:23:17 pm PST #153 of 3902
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

Just caught up with the thread after seeing the film...

I think I need the 30 hour version of the film. Even as long as it is, so much gets left out. I just want more.

I was manly and didn't cry once. Nope, not at all, no sir, noway, nohow. Well, maybe a little the Gray Havens killed me, and the entire theater was sniffling thorughout that scene. Even though I knew what was going to happen, it still hit me like a ton of bricks.

I am disappointed that they didn't have the scene of Gandalf facing down the Witch King at the gates of Minas Tirith. I could have sworn I saw something resembilng it in the trailer. Maybe it will make the EE. Still, I have already reconciled with the decision and now figure that I can still keep the image I have in my mind's eye and not have it displaced by a cinematic version.

Nobody has mentioned how unearthly beautifull Edoras looked at night. I'm going to love finding out how they filmed those scenes.

Off to bed. I'm not going to be able to see the movie again for a while, with all the holiday frenzy about to hit.


§ ita § - Dec 17, 2003 8:31:45 pm PST #154 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

possibly the only other person in the movie who didn't need a wig.

Who else didn't need a wig?

That Legolas hand-on-bow shot from the promo pics -- that wasn't remotely in the movie, was it?


Volans - Dec 18, 2003 2:35:32 am PST #155 of 3902
move out and draw fire

So I'm the only one here lukewarm on EW in this one?

In your corner, Jess. I wouldn't even have said "phenomenal" for FOTR. I've been lukewarm on him the whole time. But it's a tough role, and physically he looks right. And I give him full props for exactly recreating Isildur's expression in Mount Doom. He looked great crazy.

Of course, I've also been lukewarm on Viggo too. Fan heresy, I know, and I don't know how much of it is the writing and directing choices for Aragorn and how much is Viggo. Coz dammit, Aragorn wasn't dodging his destiny! He'd spent his life preparing.

Nutty, that run scene got a huge laugh from my crowd, esp. with the line. Wonder why test audiences didn't catch that?

When Arwen saw the kid run across her path, I thought she was remembering Aragorn's arrival at Rivendell. But I guess they didn't want to get into THAT.

The couple that we went with had interesting reactions. They really wanted to see it - hey, they wanted to see the Trilogy. They sat there through the entire thing, not clapping or cheering or crying. On the way home, I said something about Faramir and Eowyn, and they said, "I thought he was her brother." Then one of them said, "You know, I don't think Theoden redeemed himself. I mean, he drags his entire country to war because he's got a death wish? I didn't like him.

There was more, but that will do for an example of why adapting a book (esp. this book) is the hardest thing ever.


Theodosia - Dec 18, 2003 2:41:09 am PST #156 of 3902
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Good lord -- I can't imagine submitting myself to 10+ hours of viewing when I'd be missing that much.


Volans - Dec 18, 2003 2:43:56 am PST #157 of 3902
move out and draw fire

I don't get it either. But I figure the pretty scenery kept them happy.


Jessica - Dec 18, 2003 3:35:04 am PST #158 of 3902
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Who else didn't need a wig?

PJ's daughter, when she was a Cute Hobbit Child.

Of course, I've also been lukewarm on Viggo too. Fan heresy, I know, and I don't know how much of it is the writing and directing choices for Aragorn and how much is Viggo. Coz dammit, Aragorn wasn't dodging his destiny! He'd spent his life preparing.

Oh, word word WORD. DH mentioned after we saw it the second time that a big non-book thing missing from this movie is Aragorn's "superhero moment" where he decides to become King. It was almost there in the Paths of the Dead, but we cut away before the climax. And as a result, Aragron spends too much of the movie looking worried and confused for me to really buy him as King at the end. Also, he looked really uncomfortable in his robes/armor.


Kathy A - Dec 18, 2003 4:02:25 am PST #159 of 3902
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

When Arwen saw
the kid run across her path, I thought she was remembering Aragorn's arrival at Rivendell. But I guess they didn't want to get into THAT.

Technically, she didn't meet Aragorn until he was in his early 20s--she was in Lothlorien until then.


Kate P. - Dec 18, 2003 5:08:32 am PST #160 of 3902
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I just remembered that the shot from the trailer of Eomer cradling someone (presumably Eowyn, or Theoden) on the battlefield and howling with grief wasn't in the movie. There was very little Eomer at all in the movie, which is sad. But at least that scene must show up on the EE DVD.


tina f. - Dec 18, 2003 5:20:19 am PST #161 of 3902

I know the Golden Globes are considered somewhat of a joke but WTF is up with no acting and no screenplay nominations for RotK?