Flames wouldn't be eternal if they actually consumed anything.

Lilah ,'Not Fade Away'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


Kathy A - Dec 17, 2003 3:58:18 pm PST #144 of 3902
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Oh, and two other parallels between films:

(1) When Sam rescues Frodo in the tower at Cirith Ungol, Frodo says, "I'm sorry, Sam, I'm sorry for everything," a neat reprise of Bilbo's line after going all CGI on Frodo in Rivendell.

(2) Sam grabs Frodo's hand in Mt. Doom, duplicating the shot of Frodo grabbing Sam's in the river at the end of FotR.


Kathy A - Dec 17, 2003 4:33:27 pm PST #145 of 3902
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

A great series of interviews are available over at chud.com (this is where I got the musical info on Billy Boyd ). Richard Taylor mentions that they were originally contracted to do 840 effects shots for RotK, and they ended up delivering 1,490!

A quote from Ngila Dickson:

Q: Weren’t you designing for Stuart Townsend first before Viggo?

Ngila: You know, it was terrifying. I didn’t know Viggo. It had been a pretty difficult time working through with Stuart. What had happened was the original design for the costume of Aragorn and the costume of Aragorn during the period with Stuart went through a number of radical changes. And at the very end of that process, it became again the original costume. And that was only one of those things that you discover when you find those old drawings again. And it was something that I had really, really loved and suddenly they’re like, “Well, Stuart’s gone and we’ve got this guy.” And so the day, which was a week after the shoot of course, was the day that Viggo walked into my little cupboard of a wardrobe dressing room. And neither of us was sort of saying very much. He’s a very quiet person and sometimes I’m a very quiet person over issues like that. “I’ll just get you to put this on and we’ll see what happens.” And I was standing there and it was like my heart was in my mouth because I was actually willing to begin the whole process again because I know how much it matters. You cannot act a role like that, you could not do a movie that big without feeling like you were in your second skin as that character. And I was certainly prepared to do it, but there was a part of me that was looking out the door of the wardrobe department was knee deep in trouble. And Viggo kind of paced up and down and then he said, “Do you think we could just put a few more ties on these boots?” And it was like in that moment, I had known when he put the costume on that it was 10 times better on him. And that was actually to do with the amount of- - just Viggo’s age and experience in life. He imbued already that costume with its own life. The terrifying thing for me was that I might have an actor that just simply wanted to get rid of it, but he did not do that. All he wanted to do was to add to it. So, I was in love with Viggo from that moment.


Jessica - Dec 17, 2003 6:07:21 pm PST #146 of 3902
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Huh. So I'm the only one here lukewarm on EW in this one? (I thought his acting was phenomenal in FotR, and has been getting steadily weaker ever since.)

Figwit is the acronym for the audience's reaction, not the actor's. You can buy his album (with "Frodo" on it) here.


Theodosia - Dec 17, 2003 6:20:23 pm PST #147 of 3902
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Hmmm... I'd say it was a much narrower range that he was asked to play -- Astin is the one whose range was broadened. In a sense, what is happening to Frodo is that the Ring is eating away at his personality, his character. Gollum/Smeagol got the majority of this character arc in TTT, Sam in RotK.


Jessica - Dec 17, 2003 6:28:11 pm PST #148 of 3902
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I didn't want to see more range, I wanted to see more...maturity, I guess. I didn't feel his performance here. It seemed very mechanical to me.


Nutty - Dec 17, 2003 6:51:23 pm PST #149 of 3902
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Saw the movie. Did the Grand Nitpick with my brother. Felt the better for it (got it out of my system). Will see again soon.

So many little things I wanted to see, and didn't, but so many other little things I was sadly expecting to be cut out, that weren't. A mix of thrilling and brief WTFery. Don't know why Minas Tirith has a helipad. Very odd, that.

I recognized Christian Rivers just as the signal-fire sequence got underway, and in a strange way it felt more like mine, you know? Like, Oh, I like that guy, I pull for him and for his city, and the sequence had more power than if he'd been Random Gondor Guy. Good cameo. Especially as -- Brother noted this -- in some ways we're not in Minas Tirith long enough to give a care about its inhabitants. No Ioreth or Beregond or anyone small to relate to. Just Christian Rivers, possibly the only other person in the movie who didn't need a wig.

The length of the Minas Tirith Helipad meant that Denethor ran about 2 football fields in flames before taking his swan dive. "So passes Denethor..." indeed, right under your nose, and you didn't offer your voluminous robes to stifle the fire, did you? Minor detail, that on some thought is vaguely funny.

I wasn't expecting them to keep the part where Sam lifts Frodo up on his back. I was so pleasantly surprised when that bit of hauling happened.

Last comment for now, and a snark at that: When Elrond came in and said "Arwen is dying", I didn't go into immediate WTFery. No, I was flashing back to Anya saying, "I'm dying! I only have 40 or 50 years left!!" and it made me chuckle. Till I realized it wasn't that kind of dying that Elrond meant.


Connie Neil - Dec 17, 2003 7:00:19 pm PST #150 of 3902
brillig

A perfect scene for me when everyone's coming in to say "Frodo, you're alive!", I was thinking "Where's Sam?" Then Sam comes in and just kind of leans against the doorway with this tired, knowing smile on his face. Frodo ignores the giggling Merry and Pippin and returns the smile. It was so lovely to see Frodo smile again.

Did you notice the raw spots on Frodo's neck from the chain? All right, so I was quite blatantly ogling the lovely Mr. Wood's torso, sue me. What an adorable belly button. I recognized the scar from the Morgul blade, but what was the round wound on the other side? Was that from the troll spear in Moria?


Theodosia - Dec 17, 2003 7:22:36 pm PST #151 of 3902
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

That was my guess, connie.

Nutty -- yes, the long flaming run bugged too. I'd have preferred burning D go and hug the dead tree, sending it up like a torch.


Consuela - Dec 17, 2003 8:13:13 pm PST #152 of 3902
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Caught up.

I think I need to see it again. I did some sniffling, but no bawling. Gasped outright at the White City, which was jaw-dropping. Loved the battles.

Less enthused about Denethor, who suffered greatly in translation. Sadly, I don't expect it to be rectified in the EE. So much else will be, though.

Sean, I did want to hear "Begone, foul dwimmerlaik!" But you take what you can get. That scene did get a cheer for us, though.

I'm mostly saddened because there isn't any more. I mean, there's the EE, but that's it. ::sob::

God, that was a beautiful movie, editing issues or no. Just gorgeously filmed. Pippin and Sam were both marvelous.


Jeff Mejia - Dec 17, 2003 8:23:17 pm PST #153 of 3902
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

Just caught up with the thread after seeing the film...

I think I need the 30 hour version of the film. Even as long as it is, so much gets left out. I just want more.

I was manly and didn't cry once. Nope, not at all, no sir, noway, nohow. Well, maybe a little the Gray Havens killed me, and the entire theater was sniffling thorughout that scene. Even though I knew what was going to happen, it still hit me like a ton of bricks.

I am disappointed that they didn't have the scene of Gandalf facing down the Witch King at the gates of Minas Tirith. I could have sworn I saw something resembilng it in the trailer. Maybe it will make the EE. Still, I have already reconciled with the decision and now figure that I can still keep the image I have in my mind's eye and not have it displaced by a cinematic version.

Nobody has mentioned how unearthly beautifull Edoras looked at night. I'm going to love finding out how they filmed those scenes.

Off to bed. I'm not going to be able to see the movie again for a while, with all the holiday frenzy about to hit.