But--but--"flaming rhino ram" is so much fun to say!

Oh, EW just destroyed. me. Unfortunately, I think he's going to be a victim of Roddy McDowall syndrome, and never going to find adult roles to challenge him. Well, with the possible exception of Ratso Rizzo-type roles.

Kathy--

I've always felt that Frodo failed, but BAM!!! You just rearranged my thinking. You're right. His mercy is what keeps Gollum alive, and if it weren't for that, Gollum would never have been able to take the ring from him at the end, and fall to his death with the Ring in his grasp. So he does succeed.

But not directly (essentially he both succeeds and fails). And in Frodo's mind, he'll never ever see that, what you just pointed out to me. He'll always think he failed. And I saw that in the film, too. The doubt on Frodo's face. Yet another part of the character that Elijah nailed.

RE Frodo:

His strength failed at the end, but his mission was a success. I'm not religious, but Mount Doom is one of my very favorite examples in literature of God's grace - go as far as you can, and grace will bring you the rest of the way.

I'm sure Frodo thought of himself as a failure, though, until he'd had time in Valinor to heal.

t asks self why I continually come in here to read broken sentences about things and people (Like Figwit??WTF??) I have no idea about. grump.

I'll bet the scene with Figwit and Arwen was a pickup, filmed after principal photography, especially because Figwit had made such a hit with fans.

Again with the agreeing with Sean. I think Frodo both failed and succeeded.

I was watching bits of FOTR this afternoon and started crying again at the Council of Elrond when Frodo says "I will take the Ring" and Gandalf gets that heartbreaking look on his face: love, and pride, and sorrow, and suddenly it hit me that Gandalf knows everything that Frodo will go through, all the suffering, and he has to let him go. Gah. Which also gives added resonance to Gandalf going with Frodo to the Grey Havens.

(Like Figwit??WTF??)

It stands for "Frodo is great... WHAT IS THAT???"

Figwit is an elf who first appeared in the Council of Elrond scene back in FotR.

His name comes from his expressions during that scene, which seem to say exactly that: "Frodo is great," while he's just sitting there listening to people talk, and then he gets a "WHAT IS THAT???" expression as he looks at something off screen.

It's a whole thing.

Ah.

And stop reading stuff in here. Come back after you've seen the movie, and can highlight whitefont that will finally make sense.

suddenly it hit me that Gandalf knows everything that Frodo will go through, all the suffering, and he has to let him go.

Kate, I noticed today that, when Mt. Doom erupts after Barad-dur falls and everyone at the Morannan understands that Frodo and Sam are doomed, if not already dead, we see Merry and Pippin both sobbing. But we also see Gandalf, with one tear rolling down his right cheek--a neat parallel to Frodo's tear after Gandalf's fall in Moria .