Simon: I swear when it's appropriate. Kaylee: Simon, the whole point of swearing is that it ain't appropriate.

'Jaynestown'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


Kate P. - Dec 17, 2003 3:29:10 pm PST #130 of 3902
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

He definitely looked the least thrilled of all of them (Pippin was just the cutest!). I don't know whether Frodo thinks he succeeded or failed, but I do think it's notable that when he and Sam crawl out of Mount Doom, they say "it's finally over" rather than "we did it".


Beverly - Dec 17, 2003 3:31:28 pm PST #131 of 3902
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

But--but--"flaming rhino ram" is so much fun to say!

Oh, EW just destroyed. me. Unfortunately, I think he's going to be a victim of Roddy McDowall syndrome, and never going to find adult roles to challenge him. Well, with the possible exception of Ratso Rizzo-type roles.


Sean K - Dec 17, 2003 3:31:35 pm PST #132 of 3902
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Kathy--

I've always felt that Frodo failed, but BAM!!! You just rearranged my thinking. You're right. His mercy is what keeps Gollum alive, and if it weren't for that, Gollum would never have been able to take the ring from him at the end, and fall to his death with the Ring in his grasp. So he does succeed.

But not directly (essentially he both succeeds and fails). And in Frodo's mind, he'll never ever see that, what you just pointed out to me. He'll always think he failed. And I saw that in the film, too. The doubt on Frodo's face. Yet another part of the character that Elijah nailed.


Katie M - Dec 17, 2003 3:34:08 pm PST #133 of 3902
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

RE Frodo:

His strength failed at the end, but his mission was a success. I'm not religious, but Mount Doom is one of my very favorite examples in literature of God's grace - go as far as you can, and grace will bring you the rest of the way.

I'm sure Frodo thought of himself as a failure, though, until he'd had time in Valinor to heal.


Aims - Dec 17, 2003 3:34:15 pm PST #134 of 3902
Shit's all sorts of different now.

t asks self why I continually come in here to read broken sentences about things and people (Like Figwit??WTF??) I have no idea about. grump.


Beverly - Dec 17, 2003 3:34:22 pm PST #135 of 3902
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I'll bet the scene with Figwit and Arwen was a pickup, filmed after principal photography, especially because Figwit had made such a hit with fans.


Kate P. - Dec 17, 2003 3:36:58 pm PST #136 of 3902
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Again with the agreeing with Sean. I think Frodo both failed and succeeded.

I was watching bits of FOTR this afternoon and started crying again at the Council of Elrond when Frodo says "I will take the Ring" and Gandalf gets that heartbreaking look on his face: love, and pride, and sorrow, and suddenly it hit me that Gandalf knows everything that Frodo will go through, all the suffering, and he has to let him go. Gah. Which also gives added resonance to Gandalf going with Frodo to the Grey Havens.


Sean K - Dec 17, 2003 3:38:15 pm PST #137 of 3902
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

(Like Figwit??WTF??)

It stands for "Frodo is great... WHAT IS THAT???"

Figwit is an elf who first appeared in the Council of Elrond scene back in FotR.

His name comes from his expressions during that scene, which seem to say exactly that: "Frodo is great," while he's just sitting there listening to people talk, and then he gets a "WHAT IS THAT???" expression as he looks at something off screen.

It's a whole thing.


Aims - Dec 17, 2003 3:40:08 pm PST #138 of 3902
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Ah.


Sean K - Dec 17, 2003 3:41:37 pm PST #139 of 3902
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

And stop reading stuff in here. Come back after you've seen the movie, and can highlight whitefont that will finally make sense.