It's not like there mightn't be other reasons the enemy gained confidence. He seems a reasonably inventive guy.
Time for some thrilling heroics.
Jayne ,'The Train Job'
LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".
Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".
A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.
§ ita § - Jan 08, 2004 4:52:59 am PST #1243 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Nutty - Jan 08, 2004 4:57:58 am PST #1244 of 3902
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
It's not like there mightn't be other reasons the enemy gained confidence. He seems a reasonably inventive guy
Well, yeah. From the way things are set up, if the Ring hadn't come into play, Sauron would totally have creamed the west and the Fourth Age would have been incredibly sucky. He had the good guys outnumbered eleventy million to one, and the good guys were deep in "we're not as cool as we used to be" mode, and Strider was still farting around the north country, frolicking with elves.
So, the Ring was gigantically dangerous to the west, but it's actually what helped them win.
sumi - Jan 08, 2004 5:03:35 am PST #1245 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!
OB was on et last night -- I didn't know! (It was about another movie he's doing.)
Oh and more LotR people on tv:
Aelfwine writes: I've researched the following LOTR-related appearances in addition to what's on the news right now:
Jan. 12: Sean Astin on "The View" Jan 13: Andy Serkis on "Late Night with Conan O'Brien" Jan 14: Sean Astin on "Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn"
Plus -- ita, I saw something on TORN's scrapbook -- a scan of an OB piece where he says that it took him an hour to get up the nerve to do that bungee jump. Now I can't find it!
Frankenbuddha - Jan 08, 2004 5:23:48 am PST #1246 of 3902
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
So, the Ring was gigantically dangerous to the west, but it's actually what helped them win.
But I think it was the fact that the ring still existed that allowed Sauron to regain power. If Isuldar had destroyed the ring, Sauron never would have come back.
Nutty - Jan 08, 2004 5:26:53 am PST #1247 of 3902
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
That's probably true. But if the Ring had sat in a drawer, forgotten in somebody's study, Sauron would have beat the pants off the assembled good guys. Same again if the Ring had rolled down the river into the sea, which is what the Wise -- maybe Saruman himself -- posited, until the Bilbo/Gollum business came to light.
Good thing the Ring wanted to be found!
sumi - Jan 08, 2004 5:43:54 am PST #1248 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!
The closest thing I could find to that piece I saw (re: OB and bungee jumping) is this article.
§ ita § - Jan 08, 2004 6:28:48 am PST #1249 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'd assumed there was a master stroke that would require Sauron to be at full power.
Orlando continues to be cute.
I had a terrible vision of Pippin with his hair in two short ponytails on top of his head, and I need it gone.
sumi - Jan 08, 2004 6:29:36 am PST #1250 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!
How did that happen?
Was he in kilts?
§ ita § - Jan 08, 2004 6:31:02 am PST #1251 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
You're really not helping matters.
sumi - Jan 08, 2004 6:33:07 am PST #1252 of 3902
Art Crawl!!!
Does this help?