You know, it's funny. We went to war never looking to come back, but it's the real world I couldn't survive.

Tracy ,'The Message'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


DavidS - Jan 24, 2006 8:34:18 am PST #9858 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It SERIOUSLY puzzles me, knowing what friends of mine go through with having people scream at them on the street, kick them out of bathrooms, etc, that she just magically managed to pass perfectly for a year and a half.

As noted, she wasn't in drag constantly. She did work closely with a professional makeup artist to find something to give her a five o'clock shadow that was easy to apply, easy on her skin and undetectable in daylight.

It was interesting that the woman she dated as a man still wanted to have sex with her after she revealed herself. Norah Vincent is a lesbian so it wasn't that surprising she pursued it.

eta: She had sex with a woman after she revealed herself. Actually three of the women she dated were interested in still pursuing it after she came out to them, but she only consummated one of them.

Dude. She didn't just pass, she passed, and went bowling. That is dedication.

She was on the bowling team for 9 months. Every Monday. She was terrible too and felt bad about dragging down her team, but they were always really supportive of her. The bowling team stuff was my favorite part - the most revealing and interesting and affecting. She came out to them after 6 months.

meara, I think you'd really like it.


DavidS - Jan 24, 2006 8:35:35 am PST #9859 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Billy Lee! Had at least one wife, I believe.

Billy Tipton actually. Yes, he was married for many years.


erikaj - Jan 24, 2006 10:56:02 am PST #9860 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

I don't believe that she didn't know. But I am a big skeptical PITA who has in her top 10 favorite books one that says "Everyone lies." so YMMV.


DavidS - Jan 24, 2006 11:01:00 am PST #9861 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I don't believe that she didn't know.

Don't underestimate the power of denial. People see and believe what they want to see and believe. Also, many marriages are sexless.


P.M. Marc - Jan 24, 2006 11:33:47 am PST #9862 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Don't underestimate the power of denial. People see and believe what they want to see and believe. Also, many marriages are sexless.

Hec, didn't Tipton claim a war injury or something had left him incapable of doing things in that way?


Betsy HP - Jan 24, 2006 11:45:15 am PST #9863 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

How very Hemingway.


Betsy HP - Jan 24, 2006 11:46:22 am PST #9864 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

Wikipedia (salt at will)

He told each of his wives that he had been in a grave car accident that had left him with unhealed ribs, genital disfigurement and sterility.


Steph L. - Feb 03, 2006 6:16:41 am PST #9865 of 10002
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I'm currently reading The Land of Laughs, by Jonathan Carroll. I'm enjoying it, and reading along I'm getting more and more of an X-Files feel (or maybe a David Lynch feel -- just a sort of Things Are Not As They Seen vibe to it), and then -- the DOG TALKS ?!? That's exactly the point where I fell asleep last night, and I woke up at 3 a.m. and had to re-read that passage to make sure I hadn't dreamed it.

Now I need the rest of the day to fly by so I can go home and keep reading.


erikaj - Feb 03, 2006 6:21:11 am PST #9866 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

Does anyone know of a really good Calamity Jane bio? Because watching the fictional one on Deadwood has got me curious, and I don't wanna read a bunch of cocksuckers.


Fred Pete - Feb 03, 2006 6:25:47 am PST #9867 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

Can't recommend any bios, but Doris Day made a movie based on her life, called (not surprisingly) Calamity Jane. It's a pleasant enough musical with a few great moments (like "Secret Love"). And lesbian subtext.