Mal: Take your people and go. Captain: You would have done the same. Mal: We can already see I haven't.

'Out Of Gas'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Nutty - Sep 14, 2005 4:42:38 pm PDT #9089 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Sean Stewart wrote Mockingbird, about a pregnant woman (and from her POV), and it was quite good. (Though, since I've never been pregnant, I can't say whether it's accurate.) His most recent is Perfect Circle, with a male protagonist.

Stewart's shtick is interesting/odd characters, and the use of magic/unreality/fantasy to explore the protagonist's emotional problems.


P.M. Marc - Sep 14, 2005 4:42:43 pm PDT #9090 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Sean Stewart writes mainly sci-fi/fantasy (his debut novel was pretty much cyberpunk, but he's more on the fantasy side of things these days, but the sort generally set in our reality, just with magic), Greg Rucka writes mainly thrillers (and comic books, and he went to college with JZ), and Earl Emerson writes mysteries.

If you ever need to get a feel for what Seattle was like two decades ago, pick up some classic Emerson. He does local description and action much better than female characterization.


P.M. Marc - Sep 14, 2005 4:47:13 pm PDT #9091 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Sean Stewart wrote Mockingbird, about a pregnant woman (and from her POV), and it was quite good. (Though, since I've never been pregnant, I can't say whether it's accurate.)

It was pretty accurate. As someone who has been pregnant, I consider it more of a not-quite successful attempt (and his second-weakest book), and think he'd have been better off with the slight distance of third person limited, but I'm really picky about first person.

He has the honor of writing the most accurate fictional portrayal of someone who has miscarried (in Resurrection Man) and never quite healed emotionally.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 14, 2005 5:19:35 pm PDT #9092 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

One thing I noticed not too long ago is that while I really liked Ursula K. LeGuin's earlier works, the most recent stuff that she's done as a "feminist" writer has left me cold. I certainly don't begrudge her writing a female protagonist (which she also did back in The Tombs of Atuan during her earlier period), but the women = wise and good and longsuffering, men = cruel and stupid or resentfully powerless before the awesome generative power of the Womb-bearer really starts to rankle after a hundred pages or so.


billytea - Sep 14, 2005 5:23:08 pm PDT #9093 of 10002
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I certainly don't begrudge her writing a female protagonist (which she also did back in The Tombs of Atuan during her earlier period), but the women = wise and good and longsuffering, men = cruel and stupid or resentfully powerless before the awesome generative power of the Womb-bearer really starts to rankle after a hundred pages or so.

Wait, I can blame LeGuin for Everybody Loves Raymond?


Kathy A - Sep 14, 2005 5:27:31 pm PDT #9094 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I think that one of the best romance authors at writing interesting and believable heroes is Nora Roberts. You can tell that she's had extensive real-life experience with men (she has four brothers and two sons, in addition to her husband), because she really does a good job at making them believable. My favorite of her trilogies is the Chesapeake Bay series, featuring three adopted brothers. The trilogies that focus on women more, while mostly fun to read, just aren't as fascinating to me. I did like Three Fates, mostly because of the Irish family that's at the core of the story, as well as the excellent opening sequence on board the Lusitania.


Nutty - Sep 14, 2005 5:28:15 pm PDT #9095 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Matt, are you referring to just the stuff in the Earthsea universe, or all her work? I thought that Tehanu was rather weak -- or, I guess, rather too obvious in its retconny feminist intent -- but that the last novel was OK. The short stories seemed a bit scattershot, in their political intent, but tended to be good stories after all.

When you look at it, really, The Tombs of Atuan buys into a lot of the woman=connected to the earth, and actually kinda evil, nonsense, which I think she tried to revise in the later novels.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 14, 2005 5:37:27 pm PDT #9096 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Tehanu was the standard bearer, I suppose, but other non-Earthsea books as well like Always Coming Home, which I didn't even finish. I haven't read the Tales of Earthsea collection yet for fear that Magical Crispy Dragon Girl might reappear.

Considering that the particular patch of earth those women were close to in The Tombs of Atuan was inhabited by primordial powers of darkness, I'm not sure I'd take the evilness as a commentary on the gender as a whole.


Amy - Sep 14, 2005 5:44:18 pm PDT #9097 of 10002
Because books.

I think that one of the best romance authors at writing interesting and believable heroes is Nora Roberts.

Nora writes great guys. They always have guy habits, and talk like men I know.

Hee. I had a list of words you'll never see in a romance novel sex scene. (Current favourite: Grunties.) I think 'premature ejaculation' can be added to the list.

Heh.


Emily - Sep 14, 2005 7:37:42 pm PDT #9098 of 10002
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

the women = wise and good and longsuffering, men = cruel and stupid or resentfully powerless before the awesome generative power of the Womb-bearer

Did someone say Sheri S. Tepper?