I get confused. I remember everything. I remember too much, and... some of it's made up, and... some of it can't be quantified, and... there's secrets.

River ,'Safe'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Jim - Jul 28, 2005 12:40:36 am PDT #8679 of 10002
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

Given that the cheapest Uncle book I have found this morning is forty quid, I'd start with Vernon Lee...


Volans - Jul 28, 2005 2:32:18 am PDT #8680 of 10002
move out and draw fire

cheapest Uncle book I have found this morning is forty quid

(low whistle) Good suggestion.

More Potter-ing:

(spoilers first) The fact that Draco didn't kill Harry on the train clued me in that Harry-murder wasn't his mission. But I can't blame him for going at Harry in the lav; since early on, H's been a jerk to and about D. I mean, if Draco had seen Harry crying, I think a fight would've ensued as well.

and

The Inferi were kind of a waste, I thought. Relating to that, though, I think Chapter 1 stayed in because it's the only inkling of how much bad is going on outside Hogwarts. Otherwise the focus stays tightly on the school. I kind of wished for a little more physical destruction of the school at the end, but that's just me and my gothic sensibilities.

The fact that Umbridge is still employed at the MoM after sending dementors against Harry and Dudley moves her from Condie-analog to Rumsfeld-analog in my brain, and does even more to underscore the dark grey evil of the Ministry than Shunpike's imprisonment.

Kernel of an idea, not well-formed: it's always struck me how like D&D adventures these stories are. Beyond wondering if Rowling games or if both media pull from the same sources (and they do), I note that both have excited tremendous furor in the Christian community, with allegations that they promote witchcraft/devil-worship. Most Christians aren't overly concerned, but there's this minority that seems to get really scared of quest/heroic fantasy, and I wonder why?

The thing that I like most about these books, good or bad, is that they make me feel young again. Reading them, I can remember what it was like when friends were "best" and enemies could be defeated, when crushes were exhilirating (heck, even what it was like to *have* crushes), and problems were as finite and tackleable as homework. I don't know when I got so jaded and cynical and old, but it's nice to have the scales fall from my psyche for a bit.


Anne W. - Jul 28, 2005 2:54:23 am PDT #8681 of 10002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Most Christians aren't overly concerned, but there's this minority that seems to get really scared of quest/heroic fantasy, and I wonder why?

J.R.R. Tolkein had an excellent comment about people who were up in arms about 'escapist' literature. Basically, it said that only one class of people tended to see escape as a bad thing--jailers.

What's funny is that the pastors of the church I went to in MD and the church I'm thinking of attending here are both rabid fantasy fans. Both love the HP series, and the pastor of the church here is a Buffy fan. The fact that the good guys are flawed and that the bad guys might be deserving of pity is considered a strength of the series.

My theory is that the people who are anti-Potter for religious reasons are either afraid of anything that could get the children's imaginations going in unsanctioned directions, or because various authority figures are telling them that the books are EEEEEVIL. In both cases, I'd suspect that the underlying motive for fearing the books is that they don't want their children to think outside a severely defined box.

HP6 spoilers and HP7 speculation. Is it totally wrong of me to want to see someone Harry knows (Sirius perhaps) brought back as an Inferi?


Fred Pete - Jul 28, 2005 3:39:02 am PDT #8682 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

J.R.R. Tolkein had an excellent comment about people who were up in arms about 'escapist' literature. Basically, it said that only one class of people tended to see escape as a bad thing--jailers.

As a long-time defender of escapism, I love this!

I'm about halfway through HBP, so not a lot to say yet on a lot of subjects. But interesting that Voldemort is a half-blood who's attracted the loyalty of the faction that's so rampantly insistent on pure blood, and -- at least in the legends of the family he may not know about -- a direct descendant of Slytherin himself.

always struck me how like D&D adventures these stories are.

Yes. But it also struck me how BtVS was like a superhero RPG.


Volans - Jul 28, 2005 3:43:57 am PDT #8683 of 10002
move out and draw fire

Is it totally wrong of me

Yes. But in a good way.

But it also struck me how BtVS was like a superhero RPG

Yep.

I have an unfortunate S7 vibe about the Half-Blood Prince storyarc hopes. I'm concerned it'll be another case of the fan base coming up with a more compelling and shades-of-grey story than the writer(s). OTOH, JKR has another 2 years of writing to work on the next installment, and the ME writers had about 10 minutes per episode.


Volans - Jul 28, 2005 3:49:15 am PDT #8684 of 10002
move out and draw fire

tuna salad:

One final oh! And!:

I loved that Slughorn mistakenly called Ron "Rupert."


DebetEsse - Jul 28, 2005 5:13:36 am PDT #8685 of 10002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Anne, I had the thought Thank God Sirius didn't leave a body behind

I think Slughorn is the more socially-acceptable manifestation of the Slytherin impulses, which, along with the Real World point of similarities, is enough of a point for me.

I also think it's interesting that the Pure-Blood lines corrupt so easily, not morally, but mentally and power-wise. It's the infusion of muggle blood that allows the power to re-assert itself. Not only in Voldemort's case, but that's the one that comes to mind.


Anne W. - Jul 28, 2005 5:59:55 am PDT #8686 of 10002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I also think it's interesting that the Pure-Blood lines
corrupt so easily, not morally, but mentally and power-wise. It's the infusion of muggle blood that allows the power to re-assert itself. Not only in Voldemort's case, but that's the one that comes to mind.

Another case is Tonks. Her mother was a pure-blood, her dad was muggle-born, and she has a very rare and valuable ability.


Fay - Jul 28, 2005 6:46:25 am PDT #8687 of 10002
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

I think that the point of introducing Slughorn and his Slug Club is to show that membership of Slytherin House doesn't automatically indicate that a kid is going to grow up to have an evil cackle and need a copy of the Evil Overlord's handbook. Slughorn's very Slytherin in that he's motivated by his fondness for power and influence, but he's not a villain. I REALLY appreciated that - we had some suggestion from the Sorting Hat in one of the earlier books that indicated that the Houses needed to work together, but I hadn't really hoped she'd give us a tangible character of an acceptable Slytherin. (And a fat character who seems comparatively positive too - THAT was another welcome change.) And of course we heard that Lily would have made a good Slytherin, in Slughorn's opinion.


Volans - Jul 28, 2005 7:04:40 am PDT #8688 of 10002
move out and draw fire

All good points.

Naturally, my 3D-space book came in the mail today. I'm sure that reading the story on the computer was the key to receiving the actual book.