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Drusilla ,'Conversations with Dead People'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Fred Pete - Jul 28, 2005 3:39:02 am PDT #8682 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

J.R.R. Tolkein had an excellent comment about people who were up in arms about 'escapist' literature. Basically, it said that only one class of people tended to see escape as a bad thing--jailers.

As a long-time defender of escapism, I love this!

I'm about halfway through HBP, so not a lot to say yet on a lot of subjects. But interesting that Voldemort is a half-blood who's attracted the loyalty of the faction that's so rampantly insistent on pure blood, and -- at least in the legends of the family he may not know about -- a direct descendant of Slytherin himself.

always struck me how like D&D adventures these stories are.

Yes. But it also struck me how BtVS was like a superhero RPG.


Volans - Jul 28, 2005 3:43:57 am PDT #8683 of 10002
move out and draw fire

Is it totally wrong of me

Yes. But in a good way.

But it also struck me how BtVS was like a superhero RPG

Yep.

I have an unfortunate S7 vibe about the Half-Blood Prince storyarc hopes. I'm concerned it'll be another case of the fan base coming up with a more compelling and shades-of-grey story than the writer(s). OTOH, JKR has another 2 years of writing to work on the next installment, and the ME writers had about 10 minutes per episode.


Volans - Jul 28, 2005 3:49:15 am PDT #8684 of 10002
move out and draw fire

tuna salad:

One final oh! And!:

I loved that Slughorn mistakenly called Ron "Rupert."


DebetEsse - Jul 28, 2005 5:13:36 am PDT #8685 of 10002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Anne, I had the thought Thank God Sirius didn't leave a body behind

I think Slughorn is the more socially-acceptable manifestation of the Slytherin impulses, which, along with the Real World point of similarities, is enough of a point for me.

I also think it's interesting that the Pure-Blood lines corrupt so easily, not morally, but mentally and power-wise. It's the infusion of muggle blood that allows the power to re-assert itself. Not only in Voldemort's case, but that's the one that comes to mind.


Anne W. - Jul 28, 2005 5:59:55 am PDT #8686 of 10002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I also think it's interesting that the Pure-Blood lines
corrupt so easily, not morally, but mentally and power-wise. It's the infusion of muggle blood that allows the power to re-assert itself. Not only in Voldemort's case, but that's the one that comes to mind.

Another case is Tonks. Her mother was a pure-blood, her dad was muggle-born, and she has a very rare and valuable ability.


Fay - Jul 28, 2005 6:46:25 am PDT #8687 of 10002
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

I think that the point of introducing Slughorn and his Slug Club is to show that membership of Slytherin House doesn't automatically indicate that a kid is going to grow up to have an evil cackle and need a copy of the Evil Overlord's handbook. Slughorn's very Slytherin in that he's motivated by his fondness for power and influence, but he's not a villain. I REALLY appreciated that - we had some suggestion from the Sorting Hat in one of the earlier books that indicated that the Houses needed to work together, but I hadn't really hoped she'd give us a tangible character of an acceptable Slytherin. (And a fat character who seems comparatively positive too - THAT was another welcome change.) And of course we heard that Lily would have made a good Slytherin, in Slughorn's opinion.


Volans - Jul 28, 2005 7:04:40 am PDT #8688 of 10002
move out and draw fire

All good points.

Naturally, my 3D-space book came in the mail today. I'm sure that reading the story on the computer was the key to receiving the actual book.


David J. Schwartz - Jul 28, 2005 7:41:54 am PDT #8689 of 10002
New, fully poseable Author!Knut.

Fay said:

Wow, that's a difficult comment to address. I find it quite difficult not to be offended by it too, which isn't very constructive of me, and I'll try not to let that colour my response.

Er, I really didn't mean to offend anyone. The comment was meant to be light-hearted, but I see it's not been taken that way. I retract it.

Agree that Snape has been an interesting foil to the tendency to make assumptions about people based on like or dislike of them, but I also think Harry has legitimate reasons to dislike Snape. There is, for instance, Snape's irrational dislike of Harry, which has been present from the beginning.

Fay also said:

But why do you think this is clumsy and heavy-handed? It seems that your reading experience was not "Oh, please, like I'm going to fall for that!"

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. If you're saying that I wasn't fooled by Snape's explanations of how he was working for Voldemort despite appearances, then I have to say I was, because that appears to be the case. It may be disproved in the next book, but he's aided Voldemort's plans in at least one way already. If you're saying I wasn't fooled into believing that Snape was working for Dumbledore, then no, I wasn't going to fall for that. As I say, I'm not sure what you mean.

Seems like my comments have been perceived as acrimonious. Sorry about that. Best to all.


§ ita § - Jul 28, 2005 7:48:11 am PDT #8690 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think Harry certainly has legit reasons to hate Snape -- it's the ungrounded leap from hating someone to feeling they're evil that may be the lesson here.


Trudy Booth - Jul 28, 2005 8:04:01 am PDT #8691 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Dude, someone on another board pointed out that the first potion Slughorn has them make is the Draught of Living Death. Could this be a mere coincidence? Or could it be foreshadowing that Dumbledore drank some of this potion to make it appear that he was dead?

I find it compelling.

At the time I was sure that Snape was casting a silent spell at the same time that he appeared to kill Dumbledore.