Right, there comes a point where you have to either move on, or just buy yourself a Klingon costume and go with it.

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Connie Neil - Mar 04, 2005 7:39:04 am PST #7156 of 10002
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But Pendulum makes fun of conspiracy theories

And you think Illumantus! doesn't? Illumantus! makes fun of everything.


DavidS - Mar 04, 2005 7:51:47 am PST #7157 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

My inner pedant won't let me not say, it's "Let's be careful out there."

Not inner enough! That's okay, I've been MisQuotey O'WrongPhrase all year.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 04, 2005 7:57:35 am PST #7158 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Not inner enough!

Well, my outer pedant just points and laughs.


Anne W. - Mar 04, 2005 9:00:36 am PST #7159 of 10002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Carrot bothers me. We never see inside his head, he's always portrayed as he appears to others.

I think that's they only reason he works as well as he does as a character. If you could see what he was thinking, it would break the mystique, I think. I love the possibility that underneath that simple facade, his mind might be as twisty as Vetinari's.


Nutty - Mar 04, 2005 9:00:55 am PST #7160 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I like Elmore Leonard, but I like him better when he stretches himself. His short story in the McSweeney's Thrilling Tales, e.g., was more interesting to me because it did not take place in Detroit, LA or Miami. Also, it was about cowboys.

I find his novels can be kind of retreads, taken as a bunch; or anyway at certain points in his career he has churned out Good Enough while at other points he was reaching for Damn Good.

I just finished Jonathan Safran Foer's Everything is Illuminated. It took me a while to wrap my brain around the narrative conceit, and longer for me to get past the twee, but ultimately it was a pretty good book. (The fact I did get past the twee, that it became invisible after a while, is a good sign overall.) You could write a good English paper on the book, and at the same time, it held my interest on both plot and emotional bases.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 04, 2005 9:10:14 am PST #7161 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I like Elmore Leonard, but I like him better when he stretches himself. His short story in the McSweeney's Thrilling Tales, e.g., was more interesting to me because it did not take place in Detroit, LA or Miami. Also, it was about cowboys.

Not that big a stretch - he started out writing westerns. I think his first 10 novels (give or take) are all westerns of one sort or another.


Kathy A - Mar 04, 2005 9:17:09 am PST #7162 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

(The fact I did get past the twee, that it became invisible after a while, is a good sign overall.)

It took me a good three days to get through the first half of the book, but only three hours to finish it, so ITA on getting used to it.


Wolfram - Mar 04, 2005 10:14:04 am PST #7163 of 10002
Visilurking

For something completely different, has anyone else read "Focault's Pendulum"?

Yes, brilliant work. Unfortunately I read Angels and Demons and then Da Vinci Code right afterwards and now a lot of it is a jumble in my head.

Favorite Discworld characters: Vetinari, Death, Angua, Vimes, Leonard of Quirm, Cohen the Barbarian, Death, the newspaper guy, the new post office guy, and I have to say Dibbler and his entire extended family.


Typo Boy - Mar 04, 2005 4:05:48 pm PST #7164 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

And you think Illumantus! doesn't? Illumantus! makes fun of everything.

The distinction is in my second sentence. The word "affectionately". Illunantus has affection for conspiracy theories - thinks that in a fundamental way they may provide good insights on reality. Pendulum has no affection for conspiracy theory. Sees them as a fundamentally totalitarian attitude towards life. There is a degree of anger in Pendulum that is not in illumantus; I find it the better story. Of course I always thought there was a lot of hot air in Illumantus - that losing about half the wordage would have improved it immensely. So a personal literary judgement here as well.


Typo Boy - Mar 04, 2005 4:24:26 pm PST #7165 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Oh and what I came to Literary for:

Ken Macleod has noted that Romantic Times has really good coverage of Science Fiction. (When they reviewed him he checked out the issue and noted that they do good genre reviews in general.)

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