I am not having sex with Spike! But I'm starting to think that you might be.

Buffy ,'Dirty Girls'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


erikaj - Mar 03, 2005 5:01:43 pm PST #7132 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

Dude, I love Bubba! (Not least because he has a dog named Sargeant Esterhaus. I could forgive a lot of a man like that.)ETA: And also, I could just say "That guy was just an idiot. Kick his ass!" And he would probably do it. But that's why I want my own Paulie Walnuts. To have "chats" with my enemies.


Jesse - Mar 03, 2005 5:02:31 pm PST #7133 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

At least ERIKA can stay on topic.


DavidS - Mar 03, 2005 5:02:42 pm PST #7134 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Not least because he has a dog named Sargeant Esterhaus.

"Now be careful out there."


DavidS - Mar 03, 2005 5:03:13 pm PST #7135 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

At least ERIKA can stay on topic.

That's because she was a high school criminal. They're very single-minded.


erikaj - Mar 03, 2005 5:10:59 pm PST #7136 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

And I thought Stephanie Plum should bang Ranger's brains out. A mercenary who doesn't want to meet mom and eat pot roast? Yay! But maybe that's my Committment Issue. No, high school me would've gotten much more high-minded than this...she was most embarrassed about this taste. Because it's not Nice. ETA: But still, in the eighth grade I wanted to be graduation speaker, and I wrote a sample speech, which was probably too sarcastic to ever make a grad. speech, and I forgot my last line. So I would've told my eighth grade class "Hey, let's be careful out there." I...did not get to do that, needless to say.


P.M. Marc - Mar 03, 2005 5:19:58 pm PST #7137 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I've discovered, through my single-minded single-author reading of the last few months (I've been on a huge Pratchett kick) that the easiest narrative hook for me is to have strong female characters in traditionally male roles. The Discworld books that feature said characters get read about twice as fast as those that don't. Monstrous Regiment flew by, for example.

I have also discovered that of the Discworld regulars, Angua is by far my fav.

I suspect my hook would work as well be the character pirate or police, so long as said character is a girl.


§ ita § - Mar 03, 2005 5:23:57 pm PST #7138 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How traditionally male do the roles have to be? I mean, traditionally male for us, or for the world in which the story is set? Is it a meta-enjoyment you're getting, or are you feeding off a degree of in-context fish-out-of-water?


P.M. Marc - Mar 03, 2005 5:29:57 pm PST #7139 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I mean, traditionally male for us, or for the world in which the story is set?

World in which the story is set. It dates back to childhood, where The Girl Who Pretended to be a Boy was the fairy tale I liked above all others.

It's not so much the fish-out-of-water thing as the "girls CAN TOO do that!" thing, I think.


Betsy HP - Mar 03, 2005 6:15:05 pm PST #7140 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

My favorite Discworld character is Death. Second, Vetinari, third Granny Weatherwax.

What can I say, I like 'em dark.

Plei, did you love The Black Arrow as I did? I ate up girl-dressed-as-boy stuff. Also Heyer's The Masqueraders.


P.M. Marc - Mar 03, 2005 6:42:18 pm PST #7141 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I have not read The Black Arrow. Perhaps I should.

I think my Discworld character order is: Angua, the Death of Rats (SQUEEK.), Polly, Vimes, Carrot, Dorfl. They're followed by Death and Susan in no particular order.

If you include Wee Free Men, Tiffany Aching should be inserted right behind Polly.