How traditionally male do the roles have to be? I mean, traditionally male for us, or for the world in which the story is set? Is it a meta-enjoyment you're getting, or are you feeding off a degree of in-context fish-out-of-water?
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§ ita § - Mar 03, 2005 5:23:57 pm PST #7138 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
P.M. Marc - Mar 03, 2005 5:29:57 pm PST #7139 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I mean, traditionally male for us, or for the world in which the story is set?
World in which the story is set. It dates back to childhood, where The Girl Who Pretended to be a Boy was the fairy tale I liked above all others.
It's not so much the fish-out-of-water thing as the "girls CAN TOO do that!" thing, I think.
Betsy HP - Mar 03, 2005 6:15:05 pm PST #7140 of 10002
If I only had a brain...
My favorite Discworld character is Death. Second, Vetinari, third Granny Weatherwax.
What can I say, I like 'em dark.
Plei, did you love The Black Arrow as I did? I ate up girl-dressed-as-boy stuff. Also Heyer's The Masqueraders.
P.M. Marc - Mar 03, 2005 6:42:18 pm PST #7141 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I have not read The Black Arrow. Perhaps I should.
I think my Discworld character order is: Angua, the Death of Rats (SQUEEK.), Polly, Vimes, Carrot, Dorfl. They're followed by Death and Susan in no particular order.
If you include Wee Free Men, Tiffany Aching should be inserted right behind Polly.
Betsy HP - Mar 03, 2005 7:05:12 pm PST #7142 of 10002
If I only had a brain...
You have to move back into a really Victorian mindset for The Black Arrow: the hero thinks the heroine-disguised-as-a-boy is an incredible coward, then he realizes that she's a girl and all of a sudden she's a hero.
I loved it when I was a kid, but then again there weren't many girl heroes then.
Susan W. - Mar 03, 2005 7:09:53 pm PST #7143 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
t marks Plei down as a member of the target market for the book I'ma write when I finish the wip
Atropa - Mar 03, 2005 7:19:55 pm PST #7144 of 10002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
My favorite Discworld characters: Granny Weatherwax, Tiffany Aching, Agnes, Susan, Vimes.
Volans - Mar 03, 2005 9:23:18 pm PST #7145 of 10002
move out and draw fire
When my husband and I were first not-dating, he mentioned that The Black Arrow was his favorite childhood book. I was smitten. (Of course, he then listed about 17 other books that were also his favorite, which helped too).
But yeah, on re-read you do have to squint at The Black Arrow a bit.
In other news, I finally made it all the way through Rebecca. Every other run I've taken at it, I've wanted to choke the POV character to death early on...this time I just let the author write her characters and enjoyed it more. Not a lot, but more.
Anne W. - Mar 04, 2005 3:10:27 am PST #7146 of 10002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
Love Discworld. I think my favorites are Vimes, Vetinari, Nanny Ogg (who is scarily like my Nana), Granny Weatherwax, and Susan. That said, I love almost all of the characters, with the possible exception of Rincewind. He annoys me, but since he's generally accompanied by The Luggage, I'm willing to tolerate him.
Calli - Mar 04, 2005 4:23:37 am PST #7147 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
I adore Discworld. Vetinari is one of my book-guy crushes, (along with Lord Peter Wimsey and Vlad Taltos). I especially like thge Vetinari-Vimes interaction.