interested in fucking two non-humans all at the same time.
Oh, if it were only two. Two would be monogamy for the new, improved Anita, now with extra ardeur.
Nobody can tell Marmaduke what to do. That's my kind of dog.
Trick ,'First Date'
We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good
There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."
Betsy HP - Oct 14, 2004 7:07:00 am PDT #6192 of 10002
If I only had a brain...
Deena - Oct 14, 2004 7:09:01 am PDT #6193 of 10002
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara
Well, mostly two, or three. But no more than 6, I'm sure.
Jim - Oct 14, 2004 7:28:00 am PDT #6194 of 10002
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
male Mary Sues--It's not as if all those hard-boiled detectives who get the blonde and the whiskey were completely original characters whose authors had absolutely no desire to beat up bad guys and be irresistable to women.
CoughSpenserCough
Katerina Bee - Oct 14, 2004 8:03:10 am PDT #6195 of 10002
Herding cats for fun
Is there an official term for a male Mary Sue? Markey Steve, probly not.
Katie M - Oct 14, 2004 8:04:44 am PDT #6196 of 10002
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
I usually see Marty Stu.
Nutty - Oct 14, 2004 8:13:31 am PDT #6197 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
I am equal opportunity these days, and apply Mary Sue across the board. I also use it descriptively, to mean any authorial ego-ideal insertion, whether or not it is skillfully done; most people I talk to use it only in a derogatory sense.
Strega - Oct 14, 2004 8:30:50 am PDT #6198 of 10002
Did it seem to anyone else that Leiber pulled a Heinlein and towards the end of his writing career spent more time on soft-core porn and women with shaven "privies" than on adventure?
I wouldn't go quite that far, but I definitely know what you mean. The last one in particular was surprisingly porny. I attribute it to the fact that it was the 1980s by then and he could actually say the things that he could only suggest back in the 1960s. I mean, all of the books have lots of gratuitous sex, he just describes it in more detail as time goes by.
And I could be totally wrong about this, but I suspect including some naughtiness made the stories easier to sell to a high-paying magazine like Playboy.
DavidS - Oct 14, 2004 9:15:51 am PDT #6199 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Leiber always did have a fair amount of kink in his stories. Part of their charm. I suspect Strega is right that shifting standards allowed him to be more explicit. Also, he wrote those after his wife died so he might've been indulging that aspect of his fantasy life a bit more.
Betsy HP - Oct 14, 2004 9:17:44 am PDT #6200 of 10002
If I only had a brain...
Are we discussing Fafhrd's preference for barely pubescent girls? Because I found that very disturbing.
Strega - Oct 14, 2004 11:42:33 am PDT #6201 of 10002
Fafhrd? Hm. Somewhere along the line I was disturbed by one of Mouser's escapades, but I think I reread the story and couldn't find anything that hinted at her age. So then I decided that while the word "girl" made me imagine a twelve year old, it wasn't intended that way.
I could just be willfully ignoring things that would disgust me, though.