The count of three isn't a plan. It's Sesame Street.

Buffy ,'First Date'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Daisy Jane - Sep 21, 2004 8:52:44 am PDT #5944 of 10002
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

There is no editing of a finished painting.

As Nutty said, not so- there's even a fancy word for it, which I forget at the moment.


Fred Pete - Sep 21, 2004 8:54:34 am PDT #5945 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

The funny part of the article, for me, was realizing that rapp -izzle speak is no different from the idiotic sound-insertion "languages" girls make up to gossip with each other in the 6th grade.

But he deserves points for name-checking the uber-fun "Double Dutch Bus."

And even if -izzle entered the language as a goof, it's no worse than the story (likely untrue, but a good story of the origin of "quiz."


Steph L. - Sep 21, 2004 8:56:45 am PDT #5946 of 10002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I knew there was a reason that I thought all of Anne Rice's books sucked dead ass after Queen of the Damned:

"After the publication of the The Queen of the Damned, I requested of my editor that she not give me anymore comments. I resolved to hand in the manuscripts when they were finished. And asked that she accept them as they were. She was very reluctant, feeling that her input had value, but she agreed to my wishes. I asked this due to my highly critical relationship with my work and my intense evolutionary work on every sentence in the work, my feeling for the rhythm of the phrase and the unfolding of the plot and the character development. I felt that I could not bring to perfection what I saw unless I did it alone. In othe words, what I had to offer had to be offered in isolation. So all novels published after The Queen of the Damned were written by me in this pure fashion, my editor thereafter functioning as my mentor and guardian."

There is no editing of a finished painting.

As Nutty said, not so- there's even a fancy word for it, which I forget at the moment.

Yes, and I apologize. I forgot Buffista Law #48: If You Post An Absolute, Odds Are Good That Someone Will Come Along Quickly And Correct You.

It was just an example. And I stand by my comparison of writing vs. painting.


P.M. Marc - Sep 21, 2004 8:59:39 am PDT #5947 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I forgot Buffista Law #48: If You Post An Absolute, Odds Are Good That Someone Will Come Along Quickly And Correct You.

I'm just shocked that Madame X wasn't the example used.


justkim - Sep 21, 2004 9:01:41 am PDT #5948 of 10002
Another social casualty...

I think the fancy word is "pentimento", which, I believe, is the hidden painting or figure under the clearly visible painting.


Daisy Jane - Sep 21, 2004 9:03:29 am PDT #5949 of 10002
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

That's it!


askye - Sep 21, 2004 9:03:39 am PDT #5950 of 10002
Thrive to spite them

At one point Anne Rice had an essay like this on her website, which was linked to on Fandom Wank and a few places on Livejournal. I went checking and the current comments of Rice's have made it on Fandom Wank again.

This time she's being compared to fanfic writers on ego trips "U don't understand my vision!!1!1!"


Nutty - Sep 21, 2004 9:05:47 am PDT #5951 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

The real question is, will -izzle be anything more than a goof? I suspect not. People use "quiz" without irony all the time, but when people say -izzle, they're referencing Snoop or his attitude or the underlying joke of sound-insertion.

The best editor story I ever heard came from Creepy Bob Cormier, who was the gentlest white-haired old man, writing the freakiest doomful teen-angst novels, ever in existence. He said once he spent 45 minutes on the phone with his editor in New York (he lived in Fitchburg) arguing back and forth over the word "however" in the middle of a paragraph. She felt strongly (and eventually convinced him) that it should be "but" instead, because it was appropriate to the narrative voice, and because it was a better rhythm within the paragraph.

He was telling the story to show that his editor was some kind of lovable dedicated maniac, spending 45 minutes on a single word, but the fact is, she did convince him in the end, and he was grateful. (He's also the sort of novelist who wrote for 40 years, and had an editor the whole time. I mean, he was a newsman during the day, so maybe he was just comfortable with editors. Yes, I know news editors are totally different from book editors.)


Jessica - Sep 21, 2004 9:07:05 am PDT #5952 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

After the publication of the The Queen of the Damned, I requested of my editor that she not give me anymore comments.

Note to Anne: Declarations of how flawless your unedited writing is would be so much more convincing without the blatant misuse of "anymore" right there in the first sentence.


JohnSweden - Sep 21, 2004 9:07:16 am PDT #5953 of 10002
I can't even.

This time she's being compared to fanfic writers on ego trips "U don't understand my vision!!1!1!"

That's fantastic.

Signed, Pro-editing, especially for mega-seller types like Rice, King, etc.