And you're sure this isn't just some fanboy thing? 'Cause I've fought more than a couple pimply, overweight vamps that called themselves Lestat.

Buffy ,'Lessons'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Steph L. - Sep 21, 2004 8:09:15 am PDT #5931 of 10002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I think Rice's arrogance comes from equating editing with "mutilating," which is a direct quote:

"I have no intention of allowing any editor ever to distort, cut, or otherwise mutilate sentences that I have edited and re-edited, and organized and polished myself."

I honestly don't think that there is a single piece of writing ever produced that couldn't benefit from at least one other person looking it over. I simply don't.

There are a lot of us here who are writers and editors, and I'll tell you, when I'm wearing my writer hat, I have fits when someone edits my work. I have the same Anne Rice reaction: it's PERFECT! Every word is exactly where it needs to be, etc., etc.

And then it turns out that some judicious editing makes my writing much better. And by "better," I mean "more readable."

Anne Rice may be the expert on Writing in the Style of Anne Rice. That's fine. But the real issue is this: is Writing in the Style of Anne Rice resulting in more readable prose?

t edit Or, what Suela said about reader response.


Nutty - Sep 21, 2004 8:10:58 am PDT #5932 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I think it's absolutely normal for a creator to want to retain control over their work.

Oh sure. To want to retain control, absolutely. But wanting something, and having that something be the right thing, are quite different.

I don't know a lot of musicians or visual artists, but the ones I do know will come to what they think is a stopping point (or even just a midway point) and ask, "What do you think?" They're not doing that to flatter me, and the ones who have something better than cotton wool between their ears aren't doing that to flatter themselves. They really want to know what I think, whether they're on the right track, what could stand improvement.

It's possible, nay, easy, to want the response to be, "Perfect! Don't change a thing!", but not asking the question at all is begging to be told the answer in unkind fashion (possibly, sales numbers).


Steph L. - Sep 21, 2004 8:13:43 am PDT #5933 of 10002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I don't know a lot of musicians or visual artists,

Plus, composing and painting aren't the same types of processes as writing. If you've painted a canvas, and then it's poorly received, you have to start over with a blank canvas. There is no editing of a finished painting.

With writing, you don't have to throw out the mss. and start over (unless it sucks mightily; in which case, you have bigger problems). Writing lends itself much more to revision than do any visual art media.


Trudy Booth - Sep 21, 2004 8:15:24 am PDT #5934 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Rice is cake-eating and cake-having.

And rice cakes are only ever so-so at best.

Even with lots of cheese.


Nutty - Sep 21, 2004 8:21:44 am PDT #5935 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

There is no editing of a finished painting.

(This isn't entirely true; Winslow Homer kind of famously painted out the human figure in one of his seascapes by making a really tall wave splash over her. Enough people knew about the original that they didn't need to discover this via, like, x-ray.)

But in general, Steph's right -- words are pretty easy to edit mid-stream than most artistic media. It's possible to edit a movie to tell a completely different story, but beyond a certain point you have to go fetch all the actors and shoot more footage.


Consuela - Sep 21, 2004 8:31:52 am PDT #5936 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Well, and a movie is the classic example of a collaborative effort: it cannot physically be created by a single person.


Gus - Sep 21, 2004 8:34:47 am PDT #5937 of 10002
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

t Hopes that the phrase "Gilmore Girls meets Witches of Eastwick" t enflames the imagination of a talented ficcer.


Consuela - Sep 21, 2004 8:40:22 am PDT #5938 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

t blinks

Gus, what are you trying to get at here?


Steph L. - Sep 21, 2004 8:40:31 am PDT #5939 of 10002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

William Safire on how the Grey Lady finally embraced the izzle.


Calli - Sep 21, 2004 8:41:23 am PDT #5940 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

are you going to tell Faulkner he's got too many adjectives and adverbs?

Yes. But my Faulkner issues are well documented and likely to become a movie of the week staring Emma Thompson.

I guess as long as people are willing to buy Anne Rice's stuff, publishers will let her go unedited. But I think her books have gone down in quality over the years, and I think her editor-free process is the likely culprit. My standard is purely subjective. And since I'm not forced to buy her books or read them, I'll just roll my eyes and spend my money on other books.