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Wash ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Steph L. - Sep 21, 2004 4:38:23 am PDT #5921 of 10002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Dear God, Anne Rice is so unbelievably arrogant.


Connie Neil - Sep 21, 2004 4:43:45 am PDT #5922 of 10002
brillig

Anne Rice is so unbelievably arrogant

And popular, so it must work for somebody.

I fought a great battle to achieve a status where I did not have to put up with editors making demands on me, and I will never relinquish that status. For me, novel writing is a virtuoso performance. It is not a collaborative art

I like that bit.


Steph L. - Sep 21, 2004 5:04:51 am PDT #5923 of 10002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

And popular, so it must work for somebody.

Yes, well, there are also people who think The Bridges of Madison County is both good literature as well as an ideal to aspire to in one's life. So....


Vonnie K - Sep 21, 2004 6:11:06 am PDT #5924 of 10002
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

t rolls eyes

If this is the stance she takes, no wonder her writing is so unbearably florid. There's believing in your convictions, then there's narcissistic public wanking. Bah.


Betsy HP - Sep 21, 2004 6:19:53 am PDT #5925 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

For me, novel writing is a virtuoso performance. It is not a collaborative art

Look, life is a collaborative art. Rice is saying that she's never wrong.

In every situation in which I've worked with an editor, some of the editorial changes have been wrong, and I didn't make them. Some of them, on the other hand, were embarrassingly right. Rice is saying she can't bear any other human being to judge her work; that may be true, but it doesn't mean another human being's input wouldn't improve the work.


erikaj - Sep 21, 2004 6:55:59 am PDT #5926 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

Hell, she had to get her kneepads somewhere, right? Oh, right, that was all *talent*. Sure. And I'm a Junior League member.


Katerina Bee - Sep 21, 2004 7:00:53 am PDT #5927 of 10002
Herding cats for fun

Anne Rice: Bwah-hah-haw snork! I can just imagine her sailing along, nose in the air, ignoring the copy editor pointing at the end of that short pier she's approaching. Her art is so great, she's beyond accepting input? My hind foot, sez one who used to buy her novels.

My little sister named her cat Mehitabel after archy & mehitabel. She was only about 8 then, so we were proud of her for noticing literature.

I have here in my hot little hands: The John Varley Reader. So what if I have original paperbacks containing most of the stories? There's new stuff in there.


DavidS - Sep 21, 2004 7:49:33 am PDT #5928 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Eh, I think Anne's a poor judge of her own writing then, but I can't begrudge her resistance to editing. I hate having an editor fuck with my stuff. If you've been blessed with good editors, then you're damn lucky, because there are plenty out there with all the subtly of a butcher taking apart a pig. (And so much of it is a matter of taste - are you going to tell Faulkner he's got too many adjectives and adverbs? That's part of his style, dense though it is. It's like bitching Van Gogh out for using impasto: "I can't really see their faces when you do it this way.")

I don't disagree with the assessment that Anne's writing needs editing, but I think it's absolutely normal for a creator to want to retain control over their work. Nobody would consider it unduly egotistical if a painter insisted on doing all the painting on the canvas. In fact, it would be considered unusual otherwise. Nobody expects Aaron Copland to change his score because somebody who is not even a composer thinks he should pick up the tempo in the third movement.

Do you think writing is a special case? I can see that argument, but I can't imagine the person who knows James Joyce's prose better than James Joyce. Obviously Joyce does not equal Rice, but she's clearly claiming she's the expert in Anne Rice Writing (for better or worse) and I don't think that's really very different.

Undoubtedly a good editor can make a huge positive difference in writing. I think being open to a good critic can be valuable for any creator. Personally, I value feedback and I know many of you depend on your beta readers. Still, I don't think it's particularly arrogant of her to not want to be edited. Just misguided.


Betsy HP - Sep 21, 2004 7:57:46 am PDT #5929 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

I think it's absolutely normal for a creator to want to retain control over their work.

But as a writer, I have control over my work. The editor offers a set of suggestions which (in general) I am free to accept or reject. No doubt there are bad editorial situations in which the editor/copyeditor has final authority. That is a bad thing.

Nobody expects Aaron Copland to change his score because somebody who is not even a composer thinks he should pick up the tempo in the third movement.

Nope. But when Aaron Copland has a new work commissioned, the orchestra feels free to reply "Yo, Aaron, no French horn player known to man can hit that note." The first orchestra does provide feedback.

But there's a big difference between "You do realize you've used seventeen semicolons on this page?" and "Never use the passive voice." Anne Rice is claiming that she's worked so hard that no change could improve the work, and I call bullshit.


Consuela - Sep 21, 2004 8:02:04 am PDT #5930 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I think it's arrogant to assume that, in a 700-page novel, she has no spelling errors, no typos or misplaced homonyms, never forgot that James left the knife in the kitchen, and never typed "Frank" when she meant "Jerry".

I love my betas. I don't always agree with them. But they do force me to think about how a reader is going to respond to the story. If I want to have a lot of people read and like the story, it helps to have several different people read it and tell me what they liked and didn't like, and whether I made any mistakes. I can then make my decisions about what to keep and what to change, with an eye on the market.

If I have no concern with reader-response, then okay, I ignore all my beta comments. But then I don't get to bitch at people who don't respond positively. Because I made a conscious choice to avoid thinking about reader-response, and to write only for myself. I do post without beta sometimes, for a variety of reasons. But if it fails to please I don't snarl at the readers who aren't showering me in feedback.

Rice is cake-eating and cake-having.

And there's a broad spectrum of editing between rewriting someone's prose and just running spellcheck. I have no idea what Rice means when she says she hates editors, but it feels as if she won't let them even fix her typos.