Me three on The Perilous Gard.

Pope also wrote The Sherwood Ring, which isn't quite as good, but has wonderful American Revolution-era ghosts in it.

That's one of my favorite books of all time, Vonnie.

Isn't Kate marvellous? But totally not in that annoying, too-good-to-be-true Mary Sue way. What a refreshing heroine.

I ordered Perilous Gard from Amazon last week, after reading the same discussion you did, Vonnie. (Darn my LJ flist!)

Folks on our LJ Flists are way too well-read than is good for my wallet, if you ask me. My TBR pile is reaching a scary leaning-tower-of-Pisa-like proportion. I think you'll like The Perilous Gard, which is a quick read, but invites revisitations. I've already re-read sections of the book, including the ending, which is evocative and satisfying and really... just perfect. Sigh.

I'll also have you know that I've finally started on The Game of Kings. The sheer length (let alone the number of volumes) of the books has daunted me for a while, but I think I'm in the right frame of mind now to give them a go. Lymond... err, makes an impression, doesn't he? I haven't gotten to any of the really angsty parts yet, and so far, he's proving to be entertainingly immoderate.

Lymond... err, makes an impression, doesn't he?

He does that. Not always a good one. *g*

If you've read Lord Peter Wimsey or Bujold or, hell, AJ Hall, you'll recognize the type.

Keep plowing through until you hit the page-200 mark. By that point the plot should be enough to keep you going the rest of the way, I find.

For that matter, Elena is the product of a rape very much not averted,

I thought of that. But the method of storytelling was, (1) Barrayar, where the rape is averted; (2) skip ahead 20 years and retro-discuss a rape that wasn't. Sort of defuses its power as a topic, don't you think? Especially because the revelation of the crime and the death of the criminal sit cheek by jowl in the narrative. It's a thing soap operas do -- reveal who the rapist is, and have him die immediately -- I think because it's too complicated and murky to deal with the long-term emotional consequences of rape in the course of a fast-paced story. You'll note that neither rape victim nor perpetrator was a viewpoint character, or signified in the plot much at all aside from that one event.

One woman of his dreams wouldn't have been caught dead living on his planet; another falls in love with one of his subordinates and decides never to go back to his planet (and never does fall for him).

Elena's the only woman he doesn't sleep with, right? Except various parental figures, and the ones that die. Like, he gets it on with the wolfy woman, for crying out loud, and the villain-woman uses her sex against him, and there is no point at which a reasonable, normal, non-villainous woman says, "No, Miles, I'm just indifferent to you."

I mean, okay, he is a hero, but even heroes get sawed off at the knees from time to time. I just think that the sexual aspects tend to come off a little too nicely, whereas the violence -- brain damage, death, the effects of torture -- are explored in a gret deal more depth.

or signified in the plot much at all aside from that one event.

Actually, Bothari is hugely important -- both in the plot of Shards of Honor and in The Warrior's Apprentice, and it's apparent almost immediately that he raped the woman. It's not shown, but it's obvious, from how the situation was described, and from the Escobaran woman's reactions.

I don't think it was glossed over, even if it wasn't shown in detail. And what happened to Bothari as a result of Miles buying into the romantic idea of what actually happened, was a real kick in the head.

I guess you're right that it's obvious. But it felt like a surface treatment somehow. This feeling became stronger when I went back and read Shards of Honor, which inflected the whole theme of rape with the vaguely soapy, wholly unrealistic treatment of Cordelia.

I don't know. What with what she does to Mark, and Miles for that matter, it seems like Bujold is willing to Go There on violence issues, but isn't willing on sex issues. Or -- considering how it all shakes out for Mark, maybe she's just not willing to Go There on sex issues where women are concerned.

Huh. Cordelia is my favorite character.

it seems like Bujold is willing to Go There on violence issues, but isn't willing on sex issues.

Well, that's possible.

Please note I'm not arguing that Bujold does a great job with the the romances. I've never found them all that compelling, and Ekaterin gives me the yawns. I like the stories for other reasons than the romance elements, which are generally meh.

That said, Ivan so needs a galactic girlfriend who will kick his ass.

You people are killing me! I'm only just making my way through Bujold for the first time (thanks to erinaceous), and I don't know half of what you're talking about! (Not that I don't want you to keep talking, it's just like seeing a preview for the new TV season over the summer, when you want it NOW.)

I find Cordelia a bit much, I guess. In Shards of Honor, okay that whole book felt like disguised fanfic to me; and in most of the rest of the books she is sort of a character type, rather than a character. You know, a sarcastic snort and a swoosh of skirts.

In Barrayar, she seemed like a real person.