Zoe: Is there any way I'm gonna get out of this with honor and dignity? Wash: You're pretty much down to ritual suicide, lambie-toes.

'War Stories'


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There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Polter-Cow - Jul 27, 2004 8:43:56 am PDT #5385 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

2. Who filled Dumbledore's role in Timeline A, the one Ron went back to correct? If there was no one, it seems likely the school would have fallen apart.

My interpretation is there is no Timeline A, and the story is a self-contained time loop. Dumbledore existed because Ron went back and became him. It happens because it happened.


Dana - Jul 27, 2004 8:45:04 am PDT #5386 of 10002
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

That doesn't seem to be how time works in the Rowling universe, though. Harry and Hermione have to avoid themselves when they use the Time Turner.


Lilty Cash - Jul 27, 2004 8:46:52 am PDT #5387 of 10002
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

If there was no one, it seems likely the school would have fallen apart.

Maybe it did. Timeline A could have seen the destruction of Hogwarts, the death of Harry Potter, hell maybe not even his birth, basically, anything but the death of Ron. All he had to do was survive and go back in time to set things right...although that would put some kinks in the "Dumbeldore knows everything" point.

But then I'd thinking time travel and flowcharts and soon my head would hurt.


DebetEsse - Jul 27, 2004 8:48:15 am PDT #5388 of 10002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

The thing is, in PoA, there is no previous timeline. It always happened exactly as they make it happen (As Harry says, "I knew I could do it because I'd already done it"). So there doesn't need to be a previous timeline, so long as Ron goes back and becomes Dumbledore.

As for the why that far, my guess would be to make sure that Dumbledore was in place/respected/whatever before Tom Riddle went to school, so that the relationship between the two of them would be in place ("Only wizard he ever feared" and all that).


Polter-Cow - Jul 27, 2004 8:50:32 am PDT #5389 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

That doesn't seem to be how time works in the Rowling universe, though. Harry and Hermione have to avoid themselves when they use the Time Turner.

But the time travel adventure there is a perfect example of what I mean: the Patronus saves Harry because Harry always went back in time to do it. There was no alteration in the timeline; the timeline existed in an "altered" state.


Dana - Jul 27, 2004 8:51:43 am PDT #5390 of 10002
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Um, right. Okay. I think we agree.


Connie Neil - Jul 27, 2004 8:55:10 am PDT #5391 of 10002
brillig

Actually, I'm hoping Ron goes bad. He's mad to make money, which leaves him open.


Lyra Jane - Jul 27, 2004 9:02:04 am PDT #5392 of 10002
Up with the sun

Hmmm. I'm willing to take the point about the previous timeline/inevitability, which may also answer my other questions -- he goes back to 18whatever because he's always gone back to 18whatever -- but it still seems pretty strange to me.


libkitty - Jul 27, 2004 11:06:06 am PDT #5393 of 10002
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Nutty, thanks for your point about the growing realism as the characters age and the increasing disconnect as the adult characters remain tropes. As I get further into the series, this has been bugging me more and more, although I must admit that it did annoy me a bit from the beginning. I hadn't really figured out what it was that was bothersome, though. You put it perfectly, which is such a relief!

If Snape was a big nerd, wouldn't Hermione be the closest to him now

Snape wasn't the cool kind of nerd like Hermione. He wasn't quite smart enough, plus, although I don't remember from the books, it seems like he must have had bad hair. In fact, I don't see the child Snape so much as a nerd as a geek. But I only read each book once, not really being a Harry Potter fanatic (I save my fanatacism for Firefly) and it's probably six months since I read the most recent one, so I could be all wet on this one.


Betsy HP - Jul 27, 2004 11:40:53 am PDT #5394 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

This is what is stopping me from stepping into the burgeoning HP fandom -- I just can't see doing all the reading it would take to know the canon. I read each of the books once, and I skimmed LARGE sections of the last one. I keep trying to reread and getting bored and wandering off.

Bring back Buffy when it and I were young.