It's possible that he's in the land of perpetual Wednesday, or the crazy melty land, or you know, the world without shrimp.

Anya ,'Showtime'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


erikaj - Jul 03, 2004 9:29:42 am PDT #4483 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

Seconding Sophia's Irving inclusion. My favorite world-building writers would have to be Maupin for his San Francisco, Roddy Doyle for building a Dublin I know, even though I don't, Walter Moseley for rebuilding LA past, and probably Pelecanos.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 03, 2004 9:39:28 am PDT #4484 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Damn, now I've got like 12 books I want to re-read just reading this thread. K&K is defintely topping the list. It was also one of the last ambitious novels I managed to get start and finish in recent years.

However, Jilli reminds me I want to dig out SWTWC again. It's a shame the movie wasn't better, because the casting was impeccable, IMO.


Daisy Jane - Jul 03, 2004 9:39:48 am PDT #4485 of 10002
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

And Hec says much better what I was trying to say re: Character and language. I still maintain that plot is seperate and less tied to language.


Daisy Jane - Jul 03, 2004 9:41:04 am PDT #4486 of 10002
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

BTW- Whenever Sean is around, I have mentioned your Hamlet theory last night at the bar and several of the patrons would like to know where they sign up to make out with you.


Sophia Brooks - Jul 03, 2004 9:41:43 am PDT #4487 of 10002
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I think Toni Morrison and Jamaica Kincaid are ALREADY canon, but I might be on crack. I did read them quite regularly in classes in college. I personally prefer The Color Purple to Beloved because during Beloved I spent a lot of time trying to figure out WTF was going on.

The overwhelming image from Beloved that sticks with me a so profoundly disturbing is the image of a black man in a bit (like a horses bit). I am not sure I can ever read that again. (this is a criticicm I actually think that the disturbing images are what makes the book great).

I think I approach 'literary criticm' in an odd way-- I was an undergraduate Literature major, and about 1/2 way through I really discovered that what I loved about literature was not necessarily the language-- but what the literature of a time told me about it's people and how that compared to today's worldview. I guess that is part of literary criticism but a smaller one than language, I wager. My favorite literature class was "personal narrative" where we read journals and essay rangind from Sei Shonagan to Virginia Woolf to Frederick Douglass to Susan B. Anthony, to teens holocaust diaries.

I probably should have been a history major...


Micole - Jul 03, 2004 9:54:35 am PDT #4488 of 10002
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

And what does "an emphasis on language" mean except that more care and attention are paid to being well-written?

In this case, I meant a particular kind of language, although it's hard to define what. I don't mean style vs. content (which I agree is a division that falls apart after a while); I mean particular kind of style.

I do also think each era produces its own kind of generic High Literary Prose Style.

Like that.


Micole - Jul 03, 2004 9:56:06 am PDT #4489 of 10002
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

I'd also say genres like sf and mainstream are harder to define than things like romance, mystery, or Western, because the former are not as closely tied to specific conventions of plot or environment as the latter -- even though they may develop some typical tropes over time.


Strix - Jul 03, 2004 10:04:38 am PDT #4490 of 10002
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I fucking loved "Beloved." I re-read it every year -- the writing style, and the characterization is just so perfect to me. i don't feel that way about any other of Morrison's books, although I like several of them, but "Beloved" I adore.

Jilli, what about poetry? I'm thinking you need to read Christina Rossetti's "The Goblin Market."

I also agree about Atwood, and I love "Cat's Eye" for it's most accurate, unflinching look at the lives of girls that I have ever read. I would also say "Robber Bride" for the way that she looks at the way women have other relationships with women, both good and bad.

Neruda is already canon.

Allende? I love her, but I'm not sure about canon.

I propose Dorothy Allison, who gives wonderful looks at family relationships and all kinds of social commentary -- kind of modern Southern Gothic -- and in th most wonderful simple, elegant, evocative prose.


DavidS - Jul 03, 2004 10:08:24 am PDT #4491 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Allende? I love her, but I'm not sure about canon.

She feels a little squishy around the edges to me. t /exacting literary critical language. Maybe a little too eager to please.

I bet Jilli has already read "Goblin's Market" and all those decadent, juicy, mordant pre-Raphaelite poets.

Fair point about Morrison and Kincaid, Sophia. I do think something like Beloved is likely to still be read fifty years from now. Whereas Walker's subordination of fiction to immediate political concerns is going to read like a very earnest, boring, preachy abolitionist novel from the 1850s.


Strix - Jul 03, 2004 10:12:38 am PDT #4492 of 10002
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I agree about Walker. I like several of her earlier books, and they introduced several interesting and new topics for me to thnk about in college -- but as far as style, and longvegity, I don't think she really has the same impact or grace.

GM is such a creepy poem. I love to read it in the fall.

I read Neruda to myself, tucked into bed at night. I read it in the Spanish first (which I totally don't understand) just for the rythem, and then in the English, for the images and different rythem.

Besides, the guy wrote an ode to a lemon. How can I not love him?!