Angel: How're you feeling? Faith: Like I did mushrooms and got eaten by a bear.

'A Hole in the World'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Nutty - Jun 11, 2004 11:07:17 am PDT #3235 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

The idea that woman requires that man master her like a horse or other domestic animal stuck in McKinley’s craw and pissed her off.

Really? Has she re-read her own Beauty recently? I did, and it was like a Stockholm Syndrome extravaganza.

I'm all for spunky heroines, but perhaps my definition of 'spunky' is a little more out there than hers.


Connie Neil - Jun 11, 2004 11:28:16 am PDT #3236 of 10002
brillig

There was a time in the late 40s when movie heroines, at least, were damned spunky. Barbara Stanwyk has the greatest line, but I don't know what hte movie is. Typical ganger situation, she's lounging in the boss' office. Visitor to the office gives her the once-over, then says to the boss, "Is that your girl?" Barbara gives him a sneer: "I'm my mother's girl."


§ ita § - Jun 11, 2004 11:29:16 am PDT #3237 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That's sassy. Spunky is kicking the visitor in the nuts.


deborah grabien - Jun 11, 2004 11:30:49 am PDT #3238 of 10002
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Never mind the kick; I'd expect Stanwyck to just shoot the mouthy bastard.

And then straddle his bleeding body, and purr at him "Oh, honey! Was it as good for you as it was for me?"

Mmmmm. Stanwyck.


Katerina Bee - Jun 11, 2004 11:49:27 am PDT #3239 of 10002
Herding cats for fun

"Beauty" is a pretty limp heroine IMHO, McKinley's version or no. Even if she is a bibliophile.


Calli - Jun 11, 2004 12:03:06 pm PDT #3240 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Speaking of spunky heroines, a friend of mine told me that the original Nancy Drew books had Nancy as a much more independent heroine, and that they were watered down when republished in the '60s. Has anyone here heard anything about this? My friend has forwarded some Snopes-disproved stuff in the past, so I don't know how much to credit this theory. I suppose I could ebay some Nancy Drew first editions and compare them to later reprints, but I'm not quite at that level of curious.


Connie Neil - Jun 11, 2004 12:21:27 pm PDT #3241 of 10002
brillig

The 30s and 40s were actually a very good time for spunky/sassy heroines. I think the post-WWII "the men are home from the wars, time for the women to get back to womanly things" trend was what changed things. IE, the 50s.


Hil R. - Jun 11, 2004 12:21:50 pm PDT #3242 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

There are definite differences between the various reprints of Nancy Drew (I remember once finding a few different versions of the same title and comparing them -- it wasn't just small changes, but entire scenes were changed), but I really can't remember enough to say whether the original was more independent or not.


Calli - Jun 11, 2004 12:29:34 pm PDT #3243 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

The Nancy Drews I read were all my sister's. She was born in 1959, so they were probably mid- to late-60s imprints. So I've no idea what the originals were like.

Harriet Vane, from the Dorothy Sayers books in the 30s, seemed pretty spunky. I like the beginning of Have His Carcase:

The best remedy for a bruised heart is not, as so many people seem to think, repose upon a manly bosom. Much more efficacious are honest work, physical activity, and the sudden acquisition of wealth.

Sounds good to me. Although I wouldn't mind having both cures.


Susan W. - Jun 12, 2004 9:18:20 pm PDT #3244 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Mmm, that reminds me it's been over a year since my last Wimsey re-read.