Mal: He calls back, you keep them occupied. Wash: What do I do, shadow puppets?

'The Message'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Beverly - Jun 03, 2004 5:51:39 pm PDT #3059 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Ooh, I second the MacInnes. I haven't read her in yonks, but I loved her when I did.


deborah grabien - Jun 03, 2004 9:12:12 pm PDT #3060 of 10002
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Wait, wait. Speaking as the World's Most Passionate Archie Goodwin Fan Ever - as someone who owns not only all the Nero WOlfe novels, but who has read all the Bertha Cools as well - how does he qualify as spy novels? What did I miss?

He's classic American mystery writer, with Chandler and Hammett.


Connie Neil - Jun 03, 2004 9:36:02 pm PDT #3061 of 10002
brillig

Oh, that's right, it was specified as *spy* stuff. They must have chased spies occasionally.


deborah grabien - Jun 03, 2004 9:39:40 pm PDT #3062 of 10002
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Archie? I think he did in exactly one short story, written during WWII, when he was in the army. ANd even there, he was chasing a Fifth Columnist.


Nutty - Jun 04, 2004 4:24:47 am PDT #3063 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

And I do find Tehanu polemically feminist in a problematic way

Agreed. I've forgiven it some of its flaws, now that it's bookended with the last two volumes, but yeah -- in some ways it feels awfully obvious and a little contrived. (In other ways, it still does feel natural; I always wondered what Tenar had done with herself, when Ged went off to do his hero/mage/cool guy thing.)

I can see how Le Guin could sometimes leave readers cold, especially some of her older stuff. (Although I love The Dispossessed, it's not because I'm passionate about any of the characters.) I think The Telling is one of her stronger novels, because it gives its main character an emotional backstory to work through.

And The Bourne Identity is such a page turner that it took me many years -- and several readings -- to discover the Mack-Truck-sized hole in the story.

There's only one? Concur that it's a good page-turner, although at times hilariously overwrought. What I really like about it -- and this is true of all Ludlum in his prime, I think -- is the intricate detail work of spying. You know, the dead-drops and the feints and the diversions and double- and triple-backup plans. I appreciate that sensibility of the paranoid savant.

I think the best Fleming novel is Casino Royale -- it suffers least from the recycling of unconscious tropes of the author, and works best in its historical context: one of the villains is a man who spent time in a Displaced Persons camp after the war, so he quite literally has no identity or nationality at all. Also, that book is where I learned how Baccarat is played.


Fred Pete - Jun 04, 2004 4:29:58 am PDT #3064 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

There's only one?

Fair point, Nutty. I was thinking of Marie falling in love with Jason, the guy who kidnapped her. Which may be less a plot hole than a WTF was he thinking? point.


Micole - Jun 04, 2004 4:35:13 am PDT #3065 of 10002
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

I think The Telling is one of her stronger novels, because it gives its main character an emotional backstory to work through.

Really? I think The Telling goes cheap on some of the worldbuilding and the satire, which is frustrating, because other parts of the worldbuilding are excellent and when you finally do get a sense of the main character and the person who would be her antagonist in any other novels, there is some genuinely great writing there.


JohnSweden - Jun 04, 2004 4:40:42 am PDT #3066 of 10002
I can't even.

Also, that book is where I learned how Baccarat is played.

Me too! I had all my card-playing friends playing baccarat for ages after I read Casino Royale.


Dana - Jun 04, 2004 5:22:43 am PDT #3067 of 10002
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Mmm. Archie Goodwin.


Nutty - Jun 04, 2004 5:59:46 am PDT #3068 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I think The Telling goes cheap on some of the worldbuilding and the satire, which is frustrating, because other parts of the worldbuilding are excellent and when you finally do get a sense of the main character and the person who would be her antagonist in any other novels, there is some genuinely great writing there.

I suspect my affection for the second half overwhelms possible negative aspects of the first half. Also, the first time I read it, I had no idea it was intended as a parody of modern China.

I do remember watching CTHD, some 6 months later, and getting to the end, and being like, Hey!