What? She killed 'em with mathematics. What else could it have been?

Jayne ,'Objects In Space'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Katerina Bee - Jun 02, 2004 8:00:43 am PDT #3001 of 10002
Herding cats for fun

I have a big love for "Deerskin." I can hardly bear to read that bad section, but I always do. I sort of feel responsible to be with Lissar and witness her story throughout. This may be partly because of the cover art - the woman's face would be a dead ringer for my friend Alice (who passed away recently), were her hair and eyes black instead of white.


Micole - Jun 03, 2004 7:03:22 am PDT #3002 of 10002
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

Nutty, I'm atypical in that I much prefer Le Guin's later short fiction to her earlier, and I also hate "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas." But I would recommend "Solitude," or one of the novellas in Four Ways to Forgiveness, for your purposes. Or maybe "The Matter of Seggri."

A lot of her recent work has been novella length, though, which maybe too long for your purposes?


Nutty - Jun 03, 2004 7:09:51 am PDT #3003 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Right. Although the short story cycle and the novella are big issues in this editor's world -- he was like "So many people have never heard of the short story cycle!!" and I said, not a problem with my people! -- we just don't have the space. Or rather, we could have the space, except Melville's got a novella, and between Melville and Le Guin, in an American fiction anthology, I know who wins.

The Seggri story and Solitude are indeed two I pointed out to him, and the others Amy recommended.


Typo Boy - Jun 03, 2004 7:16:19 am PDT #3004 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Hmm - curious as to what you disliked about "Omelas".


Dani - Jun 03, 2004 7:26:15 am PDT #3005 of 10002
I believe vampires are the world's greatest golfers

Not Micole, but my take on "Omelas" is that it's too shallow and obvious.

It raises some fascinating ethical questions, and I think that's why it's often taught in high school; it makes a great base for fascinating discussion/argument. But it's not really a *story* - it's an anvil, or a philosophy teaching anecdote.

And just so you know where I'm coming from - I am a huge LeGuin fangirl. I even love Always Coming Home (which many people hate) past all reason.


Consuela - Jun 03, 2004 7:28:17 am PDT #3006 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I really liked "Omelas", but I have to agree with Dani that it's not really a story, as such. A fable, okay. But not a story.

Hmm. Nutty, what about "The Day Before the Revolution"? I forget what anthology it's in... Or is it too much tied to The Dispossessed to be accessible?


Katie M - Jun 03, 2004 7:31:04 am PDT #3007 of 10002
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

I even love Always Coming Home (which many people hate)

I like Always Coming Home too, Dani. t /solidarity


Dani - Jun 03, 2004 7:33:46 am PDT #3008 of 10002
I believe vampires are the world's greatest golfers

t big grin at Katie

"Fable"! Thank you, Consuela, that's the word I wanted and was blanking on. Durr.


Nutty - Jun 03, 2004 7:33:53 am PDT #3009 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I tend to find Omelas similar -- it doesn't have a lot of subtlety. For an ethics discussion, good, but for a literature discussion, less so.

I've been coming across this question, "Why is this story good, and does being good mean a right fit?" a lot recently. Partly because, I read a lot of historical stuff that is interesting for historical reasons, but even I can admit that being historical is not always a good reason for modern people to read a thing. You know, sociology != literary analysis, or not in all cases.


deborah grabien - Jun 03, 2004 7:46:22 am PDT #3010 of 10002
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

BTW, a source question about a work in progress over in Great Write yesterday triggered a wonderful discussion of Roger Zelazny, which probably should have been moved over here. It did tie back into writing that's being done (taking the concept of Dayblood and running with it), so it was also appropriate for Great Write - but I thought I'd ping Roger's fans, in case they wanted to play.