Inara: Who's winning? Simon: I can't tell. They don't seem to be playing by any civilized rules that I know.

'Bushwhacked'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Nutty - Jun 03, 2004 7:09:51 am PDT #3003 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Right. Although the short story cycle and the novella are big issues in this editor's world -- he was like "So many people have never heard of the short story cycle!!" and I said, not a problem with my people! -- we just don't have the space. Or rather, we could have the space, except Melville's got a novella, and between Melville and Le Guin, in an American fiction anthology, I know who wins.

The Seggri story and Solitude are indeed two I pointed out to him, and the others Amy recommended.


Typo Boy - Jun 03, 2004 7:16:19 am PDT #3004 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Hmm - curious as to what you disliked about "Omelas".


Dani - Jun 03, 2004 7:26:15 am PDT #3005 of 10002
I believe vampires are the world's greatest golfers

Not Micole, but my take on "Omelas" is that it's too shallow and obvious.

It raises some fascinating ethical questions, and I think that's why it's often taught in high school; it makes a great base for fascinating discussion/argument. But it's not really a *story* - it's an anvil, or a philosophy teaching anecdote.

And just so you know where I'm coming from - I am a huge LeGuin fangirl. I even love Always Coming Home (which many people hate) past all reason.


Consuela - Jun 03, 2004 7:28:17 am PDT #3006 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I really liked "Omelas", but I have to agree with Dani that it's not really a story, as such. A fable, okay. But not a story.

Hmm. Nutty, what about "The Day Before the Revolution"? I forget what anthology it's in... Or is it too much tied to The Dispossessed to be accessible?


Katie M - Jun 03, 2004 7:31:04 am PDT #3007 of 10002
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

I even love Always Coming Home (which many people hate)

I like Always Coming Home too, Dani. t /solidarity


Dani - Jun 03, 2004 7:33:46 am PDT #3008 of 10002
I believe vampires are the world's greatest golfers

t big grin at Katie

"Fable"! Thank you, Consuela, that's the word I wanted and was blanking on. Durr.


Nutty - Jun 03, 2004 7:33:53 am PDT #3009 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I tend to find Omelas similar -- it doesn't have a lot of subtlety. For an ethics discussion, good, but for a literature discussion, less so.

I've been coming across this question, "Why is this story good, and does being good mean a right fit?" a lot recently. Partly because, I read a lot of historical stuff that is interesting for historical reasons, but even I can admit that being historical is not always a good reason for modern people to read a thing. You know, sociology != literary analysis, or not in all cases.


deborah grabien - Jun 03, 2004 7:46:22 am PDT #3010 of 10002
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

BTW, a source question about a work in progress over in Great Write yesterday triggered a wonderful discussion of Roger Zelazny, which probably should have been moved over here. It did tie back into writing that's being done (taking the concept of Dayblood and running with it), so it was also appropriate for Great Write - but I thought I'd ping Roger's fans, in case they wanted to play.


amyparker - Jun 03, 2004 7:53:02 am PDT #3011 of 10002
You've got friends to have good times with. When you need to share the trauma of a badly-written book with someone, that's when you go to family.

I even love Always Coming Home (which many people hate) past all reason.

t looks at first edition copy -- complete with audio cassette -- and grins at Dani


ArcaneJill - Jun 03, 2004 9:13:00 am PDT #3012 of 10002
Flames wouldn't be eternal if they actually consumed anything.

Just wanted to do a sort of x-post with Great Write Way, as I completely lost track of which thread I was in per Deb's post above re: Zelazny discussion. Oops. (stepping out of guac, brushing off pants)

Am intrigued with the idea of Zelazny, as I haven't read any good SF/F in a long time... right after I finish Cruisie's Faking It, which is a riot. Thanks for the recommendation on that (yes, this time I am thanking the people in the correct thread for that... duh) - it's wonderful. Is it related to Welcome to Temptation? From the sample chapter I read, they seem to overlap...

Speaking of SF/F, I'm also intrigued by the Le Guin and McKinley discussions, and am trying to figure out from everyone's opinions a) where to start if I pick up Le Guin (like Zelazny, I always assumed I've read something by her, but have not) and b) if McKinley is worth a read - I read Outlaws of Sherwood a long time ago, and vaguely remember enjoying it.