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There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Nutty - Jun 01, 2004 8:10:28 am PDT #2987 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Hey, all. Opinion question. For those of you who read Ursula K. LeGuin, which of her short stories -- short stories only -- would you say is her best, or her most still-relevant-today? I am trying to create a Greatest Hits list for someone who is totally clueless about SF, and her name's on the list.

Off the top of my head I have "The Masters" from 1963, and "Things" from 1970, but I am trying to think of one that specifically touches on feminism. Ideas?


Frankenbuddha - Jun 01, 2004 8:25:17 am PDT #2988 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

That's some bad-ass writing right there, like watching a magician pull a 15-ft crocodile out of a top hat.

Love this analogy.

I can say I made it through V and Gravity's Rainbow, but I can't say I actually read them, if you know what I mean. I've been meaning to give them another go. Vineland, though, I've read twice - I liked it the second time even better. Lot 49 I've probably read a dozen times, and I love that too (it's definitely more in the Vineland school of Pynchon, though).

I've got a copy of Mason & Dixon, and haven't had quite the energy to start in on that.


Hayden - Jun 01, 2004 8:33:19 am PDT #2989 of 10002
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I can say I made it through V and Gravity's Rainbow, but I can't say I actually read them, if you know what I mean. I've been meaning to give them another go.

Do it. I've been saying for ten years that I hated V., couldn't get anything out of it, etc., but I re-read it last month and loved the hell out of it. It's an extended prologue for GR, sure, but the esoteric structure made a lot of sense this time, and the different set-pieces, which I found annoyingly disconnected on the first read, I found illuminating, funny, and flat-out brilliant.

Vineland, though, I've read twice - I liked it the second time even better. Lot 49 I've probably read a dozen times, and I love that too (it's definitely more in the Vineland school of Pynchon, though).

I'm re-reading Lot 49 now for the 15th time or so. All part of my warm-up to retake GR.

I've got a copy of Mason & Dixon, and haven't had quite the energy to start in on that.

Yeah, I read it a few years back, but not much stuck in my head. I figure that I'll tackle it again after GR, if there's anything left in me to do so.


Betsy HP - Jun 01, 2004 8:41:01 am PDT #2990 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

The LeGuin short story that hit me hardest is, I think, "The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas".


Nutty - Jun 01, 2004 8:45:56 am PDT #2991 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Betsy, you've read Orsinian Tales, right? Do you think one of those would be appropriate, or would the whole "this is a country that doesn't really exist" problem get in the way?

Although, the Orsinian stuff is not really explicitly SF, and SF is what I am trying to demonstrate. So, maybe never mind.


Consuela - Jun 01, 2004 8:50:14 am PDT #2992 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Omelas is very strong.

Also the stuff from The Wind's Twelve Quarters, although I can't think of any particular story. Perhaps the one about the box? I'll have to reread, but I don't recall it being explicitly feminist.

Her more recent stories are more clearly feminist than the older stuff, but I'm not nearly as well-read in her recent short stories. The only collections I have are Orsinian Tales, Twelve Quarters, and Compass Rose.


Jess M. - Jun 01, 2004 9:46:09 am PDT #2993 of 10002
Let me just say that popularity with people on public transportation does not equal literary respect. --Jesse

A book about the Thomas Jefferson High School (a science and tech magnet in Northern Virginia) class of 1993, "Where are they now" kind of thing. I thought it would be interesting in a "hey, they graduated two years before me, will they make my life feel lame?". I was skimming the intro and realized I actually knew one of the people profiled. It was vaguely interesting, bits of it (wow, I'm so not a rhodes scholar like some of these people, but neither am I a dumpster-diving rail-riding anarchist...). But I think it only would've been truly interesting if it were written about my high school class, and people *I* wonder what happened to.

I looked through this book a bit in the bookstore a couple weeks ago; had I gone to TJ, that would have been my class. And I knew one of the people profiled at college. But, I found it depressing, though fascinating, and decided I didn't want to spend that much time reliving the past 10 years.


Calli - Jun 01, 2004 10:31:20 am PDT #2994 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I read Sunshine, by Robin McKinley, last weekend. On the whole I liked it. But the baking stuff, while not quite up to Brust levels of food porn, is deeply frustrating if you're reading it after 2 years of low-carbing. I sat there thinking, "Scarfing three huge cinnamon rolls and a cherry tart? Yeah, I could do that right about now."


meara - Jun 01, 2004 2:30:50 pm PDT #2995 of 10002

Meara, did the font changes in this book make you crazy. or was it me?

To a certain extent, yeah. It threw me more the couple times she opened a new chapter from the POV of a new character--one we hadn't even heard of.

There's a LOT of cases where transpeople have been beaten, raped, killed. Hell, we had a rash of them last summer here in DC. It's really fucking depressing. The reality is bad enough--fiction needn't make it worse!


amyparker - Jun 01, 2004 2:46:59 pm PDT #2996 of 10002
You've got friends to have good times with. When you need to share the trauma of a badly-written book with someone, that's when you go to family.

For those of you who read Ursula K. LeGuin, which of her short stories -- short stories only -- would you say is her best, or her most still-relevant-today?

Nutty, I would suggest "Solitude", "Old Music and the Slave Women", or "Paradises Lost", all in The Birthday of the World, one of her recent collections.