What is this in reference to, Allyson? I can't figure out specifically what you mean.
Oh, sorry, Kate. The deaths of Wash and Book.
I think some fans are assuming something evil was done to the actors, or there was a Terrible Falling Out.
That's not the case, but I do think both actors sort of wanted to do something different and not be locked into sequels should the movie shock the shit out of me and do well enough to turn into a franchise.
I mean, he could have frozen them in Carbonite or something, but hasn't that been done?
Maybe it's echoes of the Angel thing for me. I remember the rage over Doyle's death. No one ever said anything about Glenn Quinn's addiction. I mean, if he cleaned himself up, why should that reputation follow him around and hurt him?
A lot of fans knew, and never said a word about it. Mutant Enemy folks took a lot of heat, received a lot of abusive Craxy Mail about it. None of those fuckwads screaming bloody murder at Tim and Joss had any clue, nor did they once think outside their worst assumption.
This hits that same nerve with me.
I think in the case of Ron and Alan, a lot of time has passed and they wanted to do different things, and came back for this one out of love and respect. Though, I mean, I don't know either dude. Or Joss for that matter. If there were huge personal issues, they wouldn't have come back at all. It's not like a teevee show where they got the script for next week's ep and were shocked and amazed to see that they were fired.
When What Scrappy Said says What You Said, it's such a special feeling.
Oh, and Robin, I'm writing an essay aboutthis very thing, about how writers have done such a fantastic job when an audience feels so deeply connected to a character. And the sort of Misery Factor that can happen.
There was a corkboard at Angel where the Craxy Mail would get pinned. And I always wanted to talk to the writers about it. It's an interesting phenomenon, I think, the sense of ownership some fans can develop. "I watch, so you owe me."
They certainly arent the majority, but they're a really loud, really crazy bunch.
I think, the sense of ownership some fans can develop. "I watch, so you owe me."
I've always been blown away by this. I mean, there are times when I love an artist or band or TV show and then for whatever reason whatever they are doing doesn't work for me. So I either watch and gripe, or I stop watching. But I don't see it as a personal betrayal, nor do I feel ownership of someone else's creation, however much I may relate to it (or feel like they are speaking to me and only me!).
I would have loved for Spike to been offed in Season 4 of Buffy, but that Joss didn't is all his, and I can like it or lump it.
Cool, Allyson! I know writers are less attached to what has been written than what they are working on now. So people will get passionate in The Room as decisions are being made in the creative process and while they are writing and revising and maybe even during shooting, but once it's done, it's done.
Oh, sorry, Kate. The deaths of Wash and Book.
I think some fans are assuming something evil was done to the actors, or there was a Terrible Falling Out.
Got it. I wasn't sure if you were referring to what anyone here had said. For my part, my reaction to Wash's death in particular was extremely emotional, but entirely character-related. I have no idea why that decision was made, and knowing wouldn't change the way I felt when I watched him die. I was shocked and hurt and even a little angry, because it felt like we'd just gotten him back, and then he was killed so suddenly and awfully, and there was almost no time even to grieve. But I don't think anyone here has made any assumptions about what went on between the actors and Joss.
Sorry, it's possible I'm feeling a bit defensive and wanting to distance myself from Craxy Save Wash! Lady.
When What Scrappy Said says What You Said, it's such a special feeling.
Wrod.
I know Alan Tudyk's been getting a lot of work in various things lately (besides I, ROBOT, I caught him in a large-ish one-shot guest role on ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT a little ways back). No idea about Ron Glass, but he seemed so broken up about the end of Firefly (at least in the interviews on the DVDs) that maybe he didn't want to commit again. Pure speculation on my part, of course.
Got it. I wasn't sure if you were referring to what anyone here had said.
I think she mentioned it in conjunction with my post about how when the movie was ramping up, Ron Glass and Alan Tudyk were the last to sign on (something that got noted on the internet somewhat prominently). I didn't attach motives, but it's not too large an assumption to guess that they might have been hesitant about committing to more than just SERENITY.
Can we have coffee or something sometime soon, Robin? I'd love to sort of go through this and get your take on it all.
