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Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


DCJensen - Jul 16, 2003 3:14:42 pm PDT #238 of 1424
All is well that ends in pizza.

I really need to see HOG again, or read it again. I saw it in slightly squished widescreen and there were digital artifacts.

I look forward to discussing the ep with the UKers.

Two weeks, right? The 28th.


DCJensen - Jul 16, 2003 3:20:57 pm PDT #239 of 1424
All is well that ends in pizza.

I wonder if, of the last three there was a little less time to rework the script for HoG and indeed all three as they were rushed back into production, then demoralized by the whipsawing by the network.

I may be misremembering the time frame. Sigh.

Still, I did enjoy them, and I may not have been critiquing them, because after a few months of drought, I was seeing the characters again, and I was still happier with seeing them than watching other shows.


DXMachina - Jul 16, 2003 4:22:54 pm PDT #240 of 1424
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Still, I did enjoy them, and I may not have been critiquing them, because after a few months of drought, I was seeing the characters again, and I was still happier with seeing them than watching other shows.

Actually, I agree with that for the most part. I enjoyed two of the three. It's just that HoG really left me cold.


Holli - Jul 16, 2003 5:06:50 pm PDT #241 of 1424
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

On the other hand, HoG had this priceless exchange:

Kaylee: "Wash. tell me I'm pretty."

Wash: "Were I not wed, I would take you in a manly fashion."

Kaylee: "Because I'm pretty?"

Wash: "Because you're pretty."

It made me happy.


Kalshane - Jul 16, 2003 7:25:10 pm PDT #242 of 1424
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Huh. I actually liked HoG. It wasn't anything spectacular but it was enjoyable all the way through.

The Message was my least favorite of the three, with the over-the-top evil cop, the implausible "Let me sell these high-tech body parts when my own are stored elsewhere" scheme and Kaylee's far-too-quick interest in Tracy. Her actions with the recorder made me expect a flashback or some mention of her having known him before. I mean, I realize she was upset with Simon, but still. That said, I still enjoyed the episode.

I read the Dead or Alive script last night. Now there's an episode I really wouldn't have cared to watch. Very little humor, and the storyline is fairly generic. The only real twist was Simon's doubts at the end. Of course, the cast probably could have added more to it with their perfomances to make it enjoyable.

I assumed that Simon spoke to River more in depth after the scene >where she said what she said, and before the injury later in the ep.

Plus? River's been a threat since she stabbed jayne in "Aiel"

But remember, until OiS, Simon saw River as intuitive, but delusional. I'm not sure he would have had an in-depth discussion of Jayne's behavor with her before that.

And Jayne sees her as a physical threat because of Ariel, he doesn't see her as a "supernatural" threat until after OiS.


DCJensen - Jul 16, 2003 7:54:55 pm PDT #243 of 1424
All is well that ends in pizza.

OIS was ment to be at the end, and then it was re-shot to change some scenes. I do not know if any of this was in the changes.


DXMachina - Jul 17, 2003 3:20:55 am PDT #244 of 1424
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

the implausible "Let me sell these high-tech body parts when my own are stored elsewhere"

I think "The Message" would've worked better if Tracy had found out that the organleggers weren't actually planning to reunite him with his own organs once the job was done. Would've made more sense from their point of view, one less witness, all they'd need to do is dispose of the body, and they wouldn't have to smuggle Tracy's organs anywhere. Because as written, Tracy's plan was pretty stupid. (Not that Tracy was exactly Einstein.)


Nutty - Jul 17, 2003 7:12:53 am PDT #245 of 1424
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Right. Selling the contents of your thorax only works for you if you have access to the original contents of your thorax. He should have been carrying his own guts around in a jar. Which, on the whole, is kind of cool imagery.

Moral of this story: let nobody else hold your own guts, especially if there's the chance they'll stiff you (heh) on the deal.


DCJensen - Jul 17, 2003 11:42:28 am PDT #246 of 1424
All is well that ends in pizza.

He seemed pretty fatalistic about the organ selling. I got the impression, that as he told them, they seemed to react in realization of what that meant. That he was selling them to spite the original people, and that he knew that meant death.

His family would have gotten the money, too, I bet.


Jars - Jul 21, 2003 1:12:58 pm PDT #247 of 1424

So Trash talk goes in here, right? Only, not with the trash talk, cos boyo, I love this show.

I have to close my eyes up real tight and put my hands over my ears and sing La La La though, because I don't want to be spoiled for the next couple of episodes. Objects in Space is a lost cause by this stage, spoiler whore that I am. I have a system, you see. I spoil myself horrid like an only child with rich neglectful parents until the show in question starts to air over here, at which point I'm getting the Good Shit, and no longer crave the dirty spoils.

Anyhoo. If I could only say one thing about this episode, it would be "Captain No-pants!" Shout it from the rooftops people. I will most definitely be in my bunk. Hoo boy. What an opening shot.

Naked Mal should really overshadow the whole damn episode, but for some reason, there are many other faberoony moments. Yo-Saff-Bridge, for instance, who is just stunning, and gorgeous, and hot, and has she had some work done in the interim? Brilliant performance, anyway.

And colour me a Zoe fan these days, for there may have been whooping when she popped Saffron one. Not me, of course! It was...erm... oh shut up, she's great, is all.

And I loved Wash when (paraphrasing madly, 'scuse I) "How did she get here? We're in space! I don't remember pulling over!"

Of course, not an episode goes by without my love for Simon growng exponentially. I loved his Dr.Evil bit. And then his Dr. Love bit. Oh, wait, that was just in my brain. Disregard. You know what I mean. River's line was fabulous, too.

Gorram it, but I love this show.