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Firefly Spoilers  

Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


§ ita § - Nov 25, 2002 9:48:33 pm PST #108 of 1424
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Assuming what scrappy said was true (and I see no reason not to), then it can support what Joss said. Now was Joss criticizing SMG? That's a whole different interpretation. He was criticizing one of his shows.


victor infante - Nov 25, 2002 9:50:10 pm PST #109 of 1424
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I just get a little pissy when one person gets shafted as the sole douchebag making everyone else miserable, when we just don't know.

I quite agree. And in truth, I've never heard anything about the set being "hellish" to work on for anyone, except maybe for that Freakylinks guy who came and went.

Maybe Fury goes down to the set each day and beats the cast til they piss blood.

Well, yeah. We expect that.

Not our call to make on who, or why, it's tense or unfamily-like. How many of us would call our co-workers a happy family?

I've worked in-office at four periodicals in the past few years. At the now defunct magazine I was managing editor for, we're all still good friends. At the weekly paper I worked for (and still work for periodically) we were all extremely close, and I consider them family. At the business magazine I worked at, things were hellish. And here? They're very pleasant and extremely efficient, but I'm not close to anyone, although I like everyone. So, yeah. A good working environemnt doesn't need to be warm-fuzzy-bestest-friends-forever to be good.


Allyson - Nov 25, 2002 9:56:10 pm PST #110 of 1424
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I think Joss is fortunate in that his cast doesn't talk about unfamily-like conditions of the crew, in interviews. Joss shouldn't have said that in an interview. It was a bad call. They've done a good job protecting people in the past, (Glenn) so I think maybe the guy was tired and didnt think before he spoke.


§ ita § - Nov 25, 2002 10:12:13 pm PST #111 of 1424
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That did make me raise my eyebrows. I was impressed by Joss's lack of reluctance to be frank about the work he's done ... but the work he's doing?


scrappy - Nov 25, 2002 11:18:51 pm PST #112 of 1424
Nobody

Hey, didn't mean to start a big storm over here. I was being gossipy and a bitca, and thanks for calling me on it, Allyson. From the limited amount I know, the set is fine, just not close. Some actors love being on the show, some are itching to move on and that can make for some tension. I know the writers all (truly) LOVE working for ME and for Joss. There are some cast tensions, but after 7 years, it's to be expected--'cause actors? Cray-Zeee.


scrappy - Nov 25, 2002 11:23:36 pm PST #113 of 1424
Nobody

Plus--there are lots of shows where NO ONE, actors, writers, staff is enjoying themselves. None of the ME shows fall into that category.


le nubian - Nov 25, 2002 11:25:25 pm PST #114 of 1424
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Hey Sophia!

I read all the spoiler threads. There just hasn't been a lot of action on Firefly till now.


Daisy Jane - Nov 26, 2002 9:20:02 am PST #115 of 1424
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Maybe the Property Manager mock stutters at Nick Brendon til he cries.

He said SMG and AH (goodnaturedly) tease him about it. Something about the slogan for the awareness campaign.


Cindy - Nov 26, 2002 9:42:29 am PST #116 of 1424
Nobody

You know, at my last job, I genuinely liked the people I worked with - as co-workers. They weren't my friends. I worked there for 6 years.

To tell the truth, I didn't even take those interview comments as a slam on the other shows, so much as talking up Firefly. This is Joss's new gang. They're all (right now) walking on eggshells. They probably love the show and want it to succeed yet know it's likely not to, so everyone is going to be on their best behavior. It's like when the guy you've thought was dreamy for a long time asks you on a date. He meets WBYou. Later, he'll see real you.

Also, in interviews, words get cut. Sentences get cut. Paragraphs get cut. As long as they turn out good product for me, I'm happy. I don't think they're worrying when I'm annoyed by my children (aka the people I'd kill and die for).


Vonnie K - Dec 01, 2002 7:16:19 pm PST #117 of 1424
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Moving away from the Joss interview talk; The STARLOG NF interview had a couple of plot spoilers for the upcoming episodes. It sounds like "War Stories" is going to be something wonderfully dark and angsty (backstories! On Zoe and Wash!) while "Heart of Gold" is going to be light and fun. "Heart of Gold" is supposed to be Inara-centric, involving one of Inara's former fellow companions who is in need of the gang's help.

TV tome already have guest star names for these eps, and someone named Melinda Clarke will be playing the main role in HoG (presumably the fellow companion.) You know, I thought she looked familiar in that photo, and lo and behold, she played "Lady Heather" in one of the episodes of CSI I've managed to see - the one set in S&M club? I thought she was fabulous in that - and now I'm all atwitter about the episode.

I'm feeling a bit disloyal about saying this, but I find myself looking forward to a new Firefly episode way more than a new Angel, despite my Wesley-oost. I really wish Firefly would live.