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Zoe ,'Bushwhacked'


Boxed Set, Vol. 1: Smallville, Due South, Farscape  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much anything else that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.


Jessica - Jan 29, 2005 5:28:12 am PST #9400 of 10000
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

BSG seems to be really picking up. I loved last night's ep.

Oddly though, it's now a show I'm compelled to discuss, like, at all. I watch an ep, think "Yeah, that was good," and that's it. I wish it were more discuss-y.


DCJensen - Jan 29, 2005 5:58:17 am PST #9401 of 10000
All is well that ends in pizza.

Having the old doctor smoke a cigarette threw me out of the moment.

I have no problem with Starbuck's cigar, as it's no stretch to imagine there are analogues of tobacco out there. But the scene with the doctor smoking and the president objecting was too current earth culture in tone.

Not to mention the whole breast cancer storyline, which I'm trying to accept. It feels like they are trying to manipulate us with an anvil. And anvils are usually lost on me in shows.


DebetEsse - Jan 29, 2005 6:00:17 am PST #9402 of 10000
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I was more thrown off by the "this is chemo and radiation only by a different name" thing.

I'm having a real hard time seeing this as either pre-Earth or post-Earth without major holes, and even Earth-parallel is kinda problematic.


DCJensen - Jan 29, 2005 6:02:29 am PST #9403 of 10000
All is well that ends in pizza.

I was more thrown off by the "this is

Yeah, that's certainly another addition to my issue with the storyline.


§ ita § - Jan 29, 2005 7:33:02 am PST #9404 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm having a real hard time seeing this as either pre-Earth or post-Earth without major holes, and even Earth-parallel is kinda problematic.

Why?


DebetEsse - Jan 29, 2005 7:44:44 am PST #9405 of 10000
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Pre-Earth problems: All the hand props look very now-like (eg-paint can). That it would be the natural progression of humanity to come up with 3x5 photographs and neckties, even having forgotten about them for thousands of years...I understand that it makes the series cheaper, and works as a short-hand, but it screams post-Earth to me.

Post-Earth problems: They created andriods and functional space battleships, but haven't gotten anything better than chemo and radiation to treat cancer? Also, they're going to "Earth", which, if it is post-Earth, survives in the cultural consciousness not as "Earth that was", which implies a far future.

Concurrent problems: "Apollo"--They use a non-Earth name for their Olympus, but that one is the same, even though the implications of the theology is far more Christian than Greek/Roman.

I'm sure there are more specific things that have bugged me (some specific cultural reference that made me go "hey"), but I can't think of them at the moment.


§ ita § - Jan 29, 2005 7:47:33 am PST #9406 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I thought the premise of concurrency involved humanity starting in one place (Kobol) and going to two places. I do have problems with the lineup, that becomes much more grating later in the series, but I think that concurrent is how it's supposed to be working (as has been explained by kindly folk here), and it's far more tenable than slotting it into pre or post.


Polter-Cow - Jan 29, 2005 7:49:14 am PST #9407 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

They created andriods and functional space battleships, but haven't gotten anything better than chemo and radiation to treat cancer?

Dude, those are two totally different technologies, and there's no reason why the ability to build giant metal things should correlate with the ability to fight cancer. If they had very advanced nanotechnology, however, that would be a different story.


DebetEsse - Jan 29, 2005 7:49:19 am PST #9408 of 10000
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I agree that it's the least problematic, but it's still kinda messy, which is my complaint.

P-C, I know they're very different. It's just that it would also strike me as odd if they had hybrid cars and hadn't figured out something like a sewing machine. That progress would be that isolated seems odd, to me.


Micole - Jan 29, 2005 7:53:16 am PST #9409 of 10000
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

Concurrent problems: "Apollo"--They use a non-Earth name for their Olympus, but that one is the same, even though the implications of the theology is far more Christian than Greek/Roman.

This is the one thing that doesn't bug me, because it actually follows real-world rules of linguistic and cultural change (assuming the name, like the dialogue, is "translated" into English). It's entirely possibly they'd keep some of the names of Greek pantheon--or that Earth, their lost colony, would--while the rest of the mythology changes significantly.

They created andriods and functional space battleships, but haven't gotten anything better than chemo and radiation to treat cancer?

You might as well say "They can put human beings on the moon but haven't cured the common cold?" Developments in machine technology and medicine aren't necessarily congruent.

All the hand props look very now-like (eg-paint can).

It's more than that, it's that most of the customs and culture are very, very much particular to the contemporary US, or the mythology of it. Being ladylike is indicated by high-heeled shoes, conservative suits with skirts, and pearl earrings. Women wear black and Jackie-o half-veils to funerals. Military funerals involve folding the flag over the dead person's coffin. Prisoners wear orange track suits.

I've tried to give up on tracking this, because the culture is never going to be sufficiently alien for me, and either I give up on the show or I accept this as one of its characteristics and move on.